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Submitted by Michel C. Zala (Switzerland), Apr 24, 2012 at 12:42

I understand the debate as pure Semantics.

While I agree with Dr. Pipes insofar, as indeed there are movements pursuing actively an Islamist agenda, while other muslims seem to belong to a silent group not doing anything of note, not speaking out against terror or expansion, or promoting the notion that Islam should undergo some form of reformation, I nevertheless condemn such inaction or passivity as indirectly supporting the radical islamistic faction.

It is exactly because of these passive Muslims, that the Islamists seem to gain ground, as only resistance from within a muslim population, loud voices of respected and reputed muslim scholars, Imams, Mullahs etc. openly and clearly condemning terrorism and all the radical dogma referenced from the Quran and supporting literature, can possibly stem the tide of islamist motivated aggression.

When bystanders do or say nothing, while crimes against humanity are being committed, they themselves become co-conspirators and accomplices, which is why I must see at least some merit in the comments above, promoting a somewhat unilateral label for these people by calling them (yes - simplistic indeed) all just Muslims.

Since Islamism by most accounts is a quasi-built-in element of standard (unreformed, antiquated, medieval, unquestioned, undebated) muslim dogma, scriptures, which are not to be discussed or doubted without risking harsh penalties (Fatwas etc.); since no evident movement of a more modern, moderate Islam seems to exist, all Muslims must be held accountable.

To use an analogy - even if a driver of a gang, robbing a bank and killing people in the process, never enters the bank itself, never holds a weapon, never engages in any violent act during the robbery, he nevertheless must be held accountable and must be punished as harshly as the guys in the bank itself (US law).

By differing here between Islamists and normal Muslims we create a classification hoping that future Muslims will fit its attributes and requirements. Just in case that they actually exist and will eventually rise. Years ago I myself in this forum have heatedly debated and argued the existence of a silent majority of moderate muslims. The times and events have eroded my optimism utterly. Again and again I have hoped for and publicly called upon moderate muslims to voice opposition to Islamism, from ISR to Turkey, Egypt to Jordan, only to find myself utterly disappointed and disillusioned.

Votes, polls, statistics, surveys, studies and political developments over just the last decade, 10 years of turmoil, debate, wars and civil unrest, revolutions, arab spring etc. etc. have produced nothing, nichevo, nada, zilch in terms of a broad movement of moderate Islam. On the contrary. Islamism is on the rise like never before. Huge segments of muslims even in European nations and stable democracies have become radical, polarized, activist and islamistic in nature. Not to even mention the developments in their original muslim countries, where Islamism is in the process of replacing repressive regimes.

I do not know of a single moderate muslim organization, simply condemning Islamism without the ever present element of justification of muslim violence or even terror. " We of course condemn violence, but..... ISR, USA, Imperialists, ......" is the mantra most often offered. In private as in the public debate, there is always this (unspoken or carefully verbalized) element of appeasement and understanding of the "root causes" of Terror and Islamism. Never ever by no org or no individual speaker of muslim religion have I learned or heared about a straight-forward, clear-cut condemnation or even a call to reformation of those harsh, medieval notions stemming from the Quran itself. There is always that "but"....-

To create now this differentiation between Islamists and Muslims, who provide the base, the foundation, the backbone, the theological source and recruitment pool for the forementioned is comparably like the active IRA vs their political arm. They're both guilty in my book, and the differentiation only creates some form of curtain or shield behind which the non-military arm of the same Islamists (in spirit) can hide and unfettered pursue their expansive agenda.

Appeasement, apologizing and Kumbayah has provenly not worked. Instead of allowing the passive, "moderate", silent majority of muslims to hide behind a fruitless differentiation between Islamists and Muslims in genero, thus silently or subvertly supporting their radicals, as silence by definitaion or pure nature of the beast must be understood as support, it is time now to call all muslims out.

It is time to declare yourself as either part of the problem or part of the solution. By doing or saying nothing, you become a co-conspirator and will suffer the consequences from racial profiling to tight leishes on your practising your religion in host countries of the western kind. You fight with us for prosperity, peace, stability and cooperation, tolerance and acceptance and do so openly, and we will not be forced to prohibit veils and burquas, minaretts and mosques or monitor your preachers and all your movement.

As long, as you do not speak out and remain passive and apologetic vs your own terrorists and islamists, do not dare to clamor about the backlash in law enforcement, politics and immigration. do not whine about airport security, no-fly lists, and random searches or the overall mistrust in western societies you face on a daily basis.

On that note, I conclude by stating that it is my sincere opinion that any differentiation between Muslims and Islamists at this time is more counter-productive than not. It is not for us to hope that moderate Muslims exist, but for them to prove themselves as deserving that classification. At present Muslims do not deserve to be treated or named differently than Islamists. I hope to be proven wrong eventually.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
2Terrorism and crimes by civilized countries [66 words]MishaDec 10, 2012 11:19201308
Accurate reporting on reality [67 words]stryver1Jul 6, 2012 20:16197045
1Until we learn the difference, nothing will work [90 words]steveNJun 9, 2012 22:46196190
Trauma in childhood was the cause for Jihad attack?? [50 words]saraleeMay 15, 2012 18:33195619
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3wrong audience [178 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 16, 2012 23:15195615
2Comparison [94 words]saraMay 12, 2012 17:54195570
Road rage? [109 words]stranchanApr 23, 2012 22:16195243
3Rashid Baz [67 words]stevenApr 14, 2012 07:57195085
7The koran teaches that terrorism against Jews is a great thing ! [95 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Phil GreendApr 9, 2012 01:53195036
please where does it say in the Quran, please quote [10 words]sephardiApr 9, 2012 19:16195036
4Hadith about killing jews hiding behind a tree [62 words]PrashantApr 10, 2012 00:47195036
1USC.edu and Jihad Watch provide insight. [12 words]KerryApr 14, 2012 21:52195036
2Terrorism [61 words]RexApr 15, 2012 00:04195036
3hatred towards Jews & other nonbelievers. [84 words]aktApr 15, 2012 23:37195036
1Anti-Jews references in holy Koran [56 words]akt(india)Apr 21, 2012 13:49195036
1Passages against Jews and Christians [76 words]stanley bMay 15, 2012 18:30195036
none [33 words]AshishAug 16, 2012 04:14195036
1stanislaus [76 words]Insanity vs JihadismApr 8, 2012 03:47195031
1True [16 words]aspaciaApr 7, 2012 10:18195017
muslims, not islamists [56 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Lev AzkharApr 7, 2012 10:09195016
Muslims vs Islamists [47 words]PrashantApr 10, 2012 00:51195016
1Bill O'Reilly [60 words]Mark D.Apr 11, 2012 23:20195016
Not Using "Islamists" [106 words]Mark DApr 13, 2012 23:28195016
1Islamists vs Muslims [99 words]PrashantApr 14, 2012 23:29195016
3Why dont so called good Muslim revolt against terrorism ? [119 words]akt( India)Apr 21, 2012 13:11195016
11Bad Things Happen, When Good People Do Nothing [947 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 24, 2012 12:42195016
Seeing the light [26 words]UgriApr 26, 2012 05:49195016
3...one year on [309 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 27, 2012 00:10195016
1ITS, go ahead and rubb it in [1783 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 29, 2012 14:24195016
3Gedanken aus dem Südpazifik [1869 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 1, 2012 07:17195016
Wisdom [873 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 2, 2012 06:46195016
9Dealing with Islam, deconstructiing the notion of appeasement [69 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 2, 2012 07:29195016
1good points [85 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 2, 2012 20:02195016
2Echte Demokratie in Libyen? Ich habe keine Ahnung [591 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 3, 2012 06:47195016
2post script [7 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 3, 2012 21:24195016
2Why stop there? [467 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 4, 2012 14:03195016
2Hoffnung ausgeloscht? [837 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 5, 2012 00:23195016
1Unbelievable - a muslim voice for reformation of Islam? [123 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 5, 2012 14:30195016
3QED - It is actually happening right now. [522 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 6, 2012 12:27195016
2a voice crying in the wilderness [246 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 7, 2012 03:11195016
1biased press [145 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 7, 2012 03:26195016
12Creeping Scharia Watch [444 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 9, 2012 09:53195016
2one law for all - has been the rule so far [509 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 9, 2012 22:12195016
11A few remarks to the "practical and pragmatic" Gerrmans [951 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 12, 2012 10:12195016
1good news [775 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 13, 2012 00:56195016
Good news indeed [88 words]saraMay 13, 2012 19:05195016
1Good On You [169 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 14, 2012 09:00195016
1deportations called for [318 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 14, 2012 22:51195016
8Yet another brutally honest and flaming condemnation of the Hypocrisy [796 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 15, 2012 11:47195016
1Another tiny difference [948 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 16, 2012 03:11195016
Thanks Michel for the link [76 words]saraMay 16, 2012 18:04195016
1talk-back [359 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 16, 2012 22:55195016
3How the Germans discuss the Salafist problem [135 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 18, 2012 10:11195016
2the bearded round men theme [370 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 20, 2012 00:04195016
10Recommended Read: Victor Davis Hanson [1016 words]Michel C. ZalaMay 21, 2012 10:50195016
Insane according to whom? [114 words]stevenApr 6, 2012 23:39195010
2The Prospect of Terrorism in Europe [1036 words]Musa Khan JalalzaiApr 5, 2012 06:00194985
4one solution [123 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 5, 2012 21:54194985
1Muza has a horrible case of obstucfation. [35 words]aspaciaApr 7, 2012 10:25194985
Changing Nature of Civil War in Pakistan [990 words]Musa Khan JalalzaiApr 30, 2012 08:30194985
8We have the means, motive and opportunities.... [2123 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 30, 2012 14:19194985
6It's Not Road Rage. It's Terrorism [122 words]S.C.PandaApr 5, 2012 04:21194983
4if we're nice to them, they'll be nice to us and then maybe go away. [69 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 5, 2012 22:06194983
1Your Jewish population number is optimistic [175 words]saraApr 7, 2012 17:37194983
3giving peace half a chance [136 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 7, 2012 23:32194983
True, and terror attacks in India are downplayed [118 words]stanley bMay 15, 2012 18:27194983
True, and terror attacks are downplayed [40 words]S.C.PandaMay 17, 2012 04:14194983
1Merah's apprehension sooner would have saved lives [130 words]mythApr 4, 2012 19:02194976
3I know why [45 words]stanleyApr 4, 2012 19:06194976
Jihad motivations [150 words]steviasApr 4, 2012 18:45194974
Stevias, it is manipulation not insanity. [19 words]KerryApr 7, 2012 10:28194974
2Exactly- that is the issue here [67 words]steviasApr 14, 2012 19:30194974
2Jihad Motivation comes from Quran. [149 words]skaiApr 28, 2012 17:13194974
1Some Road [68 words]Jay1Apr 4, 2012 18:38194973
1Yes, they must all be crazy... [68 words]saraApr 4, 2012 18:49194973
2Comparison between reactions is clear, as well as Jihadi insanity [205 words]steve radnicApr 4, 2012 18:09194971
1Insanity is a cop out [67 words]stanley bApr 4, 2012 17:49194970
4Jihadists pleading insanity is insanity [93 words]saraApr 4, 2012 17:47194969
1Are Jihads clever.? [82 words]skaiApr 28, 2012 17:33194969
2Not the way we are handing it will we ever rid of Islamic terror [183 words]NuritGApr 4, 2012 16:40194968
just the facts [65 words]lippyApr 5, 2012 08:01194968
1Not the way we are handing it will we ever rid of Islamic terror - just the facts [345 words]NuritGApr 5, 2012 20:24194968
how to earn the label terrorist [72 words]mythApr 4, 2012 14:47194966
3Islamic terrorists [98 words]stasApr 4, 2012 12:11194963
My thought as a Jew [44 words]Alan MargolisApr 4, 2012 11:28194961
2What is your point? [172 words]stanley bApr 5, 2012 19:24194961
3Islam as mental illness [117 words]BamagujeApr 4, 2012 08:20194959
1It's Not Road Rage, It's Terrorism [35 words]Balarabe AbbaApr 4, 2012 06:04194956
Addition to the last paragraph [117 words]Stephen BorkowskiApr 3, 2012 23:06194950
Not sorry but bragging about their terror deeds. [131 words]batya daganApr 3, 2012 22:39194948
1Well then, aren't they crazy? [66 words]saraApr 14, 2012 19:27194948
1It's Not Road Rage, It's Terrorism [96 words]Steven LApr 3, 2012 16:32194944
2In Reality - It is Rage - It is Just Not Limited to the Road [444 words]M. ToveyApr 3, 2012 15:51194942
1Investiagtors And Courts Need To Take The Blinders Off [75 words]RedvixenApr 3, 2012 14:00194937
Yes, that is what the author is proposing [32 words]saraApr 4, 2012 18:10194937
An article close to my heart.....on several levels [89 words]Adina Kutnicki, IsraelApr 3, 2012 12:55194933
The Opening of Jihad by a non-Muslim Arab Immigrant from Palestine. [359 words]Wallace Edward BrandApr 3, 2012 23:36194933
1The (initial) Opening Of Jihad On US Soil..... [157 words]Adina Kutnicki, IsraelApr 5, 2012 01:14194933
Terrorists are not insane [115 words]stevenMar 21, 2012 03:38194616

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