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Islamist & Western Morality Fundamentally Different

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Submitted by JM Miller (United States), Oct 2, 2012 at 13:44

Jonathan Haidt (Moral Foundations theory; see eg, the Righteous Mind, 2012) provides a lens through which many intractable conflicts are understandable, if not soluble.

Haidt makes a compelling argument that moral sensibility in most world cultures has dimensions that hardly appear on Liberal Western radar, and where they do they're negatively valued. For most people, eg, the world is filled with things and ideas that are inviolably holy and others that are dangerously unclean. Haidt believes that these moral intuitions are psychologically prior to, and much more powerful than rational argument.

If this is correct, then as Pipes has suggested, aside from all the self-interested provocation and hotheaded rage, there are important elements of deeply-felt offense, so that (in our terms) we're dealing with a sort of culturally-supported phobia, that needs to be treated differently than something with only political and social dimensions.

Apart from a few caveats that all moral systems might not be equally valuable, the power of Haidt's descriptive analysis (and his claim to have grown past his own Left-Liberal roots) are betrayed by his insistence that "morality binds and blinds", that it is not possible to truly understand alien moral intuitions, so we just have to accept them and try to get along with one another. This position, however, tends to be suicidal when you're facing a culture that considers your existence to be morally unacceptable.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
5The New York Times and the truth [393 words]dhimmi no moreOct 16, 2012 14:30199859
5The New York Times and the truth the Muhammad and Khadija scene revisited [273 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2012 09:41199859
Muslims pick up the bait [57 words]slayhyOct 9, 2012 13:10199640
11Slayhy should stop pointing fingers at others [57 words]PrashantOct 10, 2012 00:02199640
9Islam and its followers are the real victims of the biggest lie in mankind history [112 words]dhimmi no moreOct 16, 2012 14:35199640
2Showing videos to stir up riots [75 words]SJoshOct 8, 2012 13:34199582
5Islam doesn't fit into the New World Order [154 words]Wallace Edward BrandOct 7, 2012 18:12199562
1Indeed it does [80 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGEOct 17, 2012 08:51199562
6Post mortem [1090 words]Bishop Gabrielle Crofts OCCOct 7, 2012 08:55199547
6Cell will be the tool that will change Islam [113 words]PrashantOct 5, 2012 00:18199503
I hope you're right. [32 words]EthanPOct 6, 2012 16:15199503
5Forcing religion on others [90 words]CiacgOct 3, 2012 20:56199452
3Samuel Huntington "Clash of Civilizations" [18 words]Fred R.Oct 3, 2012 15:22199435
1cartoon on subject of your post-mortem article [1 words]Mark JamesOct 3, 2012 14:17199434
10So, if the video mattered... [603 words]Peter HerzOct 3, 2012 05:41199426
5Islamic anger [170 words]AprilOct 3, 2012 21:51199426
3reciprocity [38 words]danielOct 3, 2012 01:07199422
2Clash of civilization vs. bigotry [31 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Salomon MizrahiOct 2, 2012 22:44199419
The comments I have read mostly point in the direction of a book [11 words]Jon, a Brit in EurolandOct 6, 2012 07:55199419
The other side is not a monolitic society [30 words]realityCheckOct 7, 2012 00:10199419
7Should we have spared the Nazis' feelings as well? [235 words]lindamarionOct 2, 2012 19:06199408
6So much for globalism. [156 words]batya daganOct 2, 2012 18:22199404
15Islam at swords point! [43 words]EthanPOct 2, 2012 18:53199404
4answer to Ethan. [30 words]batya daganOct 2, 2012 20:36199404
7I Completely Agree [193 words]ArnoldOct 2, 2012 21:56199404
4The irony of the Arab Spring [142 words]saraOct 3, 2012 16:46199404
AT ALL COST [75 words]batya daganOct 3, 2012 18:00199404
1Pushed to the limit [39 words]EthanPOct 3, 2012 20:44199404
10Eerily reminiscent of Animal Farm [128 words]saraOct 2, 2012 17:07199402
6the effect of Sharia if not its legal implementation [203 words]Ellyn TaylorOct 2, 2012 16:57199401
ELIMINATE THE DEPENDENCY. [28 words]Teresa R. GraceOct 3, 2012 16:09199401
Free speech or a duty to insult? [98 words]ann farmerOct 2, 2012 16:25199399
7Free speech for all! [57 words]EthanPOct 2, 2012 18:24199399
3It is not the exercise of free speech that stirs the riots; it is the exercise of Sharia [119 words]Ellyn TaylorOct 2, 2012 19:58199399
2Gap in the mindset [123 words]Mad MaxOct 2, 2012 22:08199399
the freedom of freedom (to EthanP) [17 words]ann farmerOct 3, 2012 17:05199399
1free speaker or agent provocateur? (to Mad Max) [73 words]ann farmerOct 3, 2012 17:11199399
1the reality of riot [32 words]ann farmerOct 3, 2012 17:16199399
5No compromise on free speech [78 words]EthanPOct 3, 2012 18:18199399
1Very well said (to EthanP) [18 words]PrashantOct 4, 2012 00:23199399
2I promise to only do what's "right." [130 words]JeffOct 5, 2012 12:31199399
7th October 1571 [91 words]ann farmerOct 7, 2012 15:00199399
So [102 words]AEBOct 2, 2012 15:30199397
Scary effusions [10 words]Jay AbouafOct 2, 2012 15:16199395
4Heating up indeed [177 words]Darwin BarrettOct 2, 2012 13:55199389
7Not so much a minority [64 words]EthanPOct 2, 2012 18:34199389
4Islamist & Western Morality Fundamentally Different [230 words]JM MillerOct 2, 2012 13:44199388
4Not a Saint [62 words]EthanPOct 2, 2012 12:44199386
7Thanks but no thanks [196 words]PrashantOct 2, 2012 00:17199361
Let's call a spade, a spade. [29 words]Wallace Edward BrandOct 7, 2012 18:45199361

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