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Submitted by Carl (United States), Oct 17, 2012 at 20:08

My response was to Dr Pipes' comment that, "in fact [Obama] misrepresented the facts when he said 'The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people and the world that … this was an act of terror.' (Actually, he called it 'senseless violence.')" Given the actual transcript, Obama is entirely within his rights to maintain—without lying or deceiving—that he did in fact do the very thing Romney said he didn't. I have no sympathy for an attack in a debate (form either side) that is not based in fact, nor do I intend to cut Dr. Pipes slack on his blog post.

As to your comments above, I don't recall Obama saying Romney lied, but perhaps you heard a different debate than I did. Regardless, Mitt chose a poor angle of attack and it bit him in the butt. No tears here. He's a smart guy and should have been more prepared (though he himself is vulnerable on the Beghazi front as well). We do far better when we (1) get our own facts straight, (2) give credit where credit is due, and then (3) bring charges that are based on 1 & 2, which then prove far more difficult to escape.

You obviously have your own opinion on what the Obama administration should or should not have done in the two weeks before they returned to an official categorization of the act. Personally, I'm not privvy to the goings-on in such rarified air, nor do I know what Ambassador Stevens' thoughts on the subject were or his actions with respect to the requests made for additional security (he may well have decided not to forward them in the interests of the more open image he liked to put forth). In the absence of reliable information (the hearings were useful, but unfortunately marred by point-scoring as everything is these days), I'm inclined to give the administration some leeway on this one, especially since I would not have wanted to be in their shoes on 9/11/12.

Your criticism is certainly not off base, but it misses the more important point. I'm far less concerned with whether the attack was labelled an "act of terror" within 24 hours (when there would have been nothing resembling reliable information) than I am with how the video was characterized in contrast to the riots themselves. We take the absolute wrong angle of attack on this when importance is placed on how quickly the administration took the terror angle when, instead, there is the far more serious question of why a mildly offensive video was characterized as "disgusting and vile" while *disgusting and vile* acts where merely characerized as "senseless violence."

But this is neither here nor there. Romney choose a poor angle of attack last night and it cost him a real chance to put some pressure on Obama. Dr. Pipes wrote a poor response to the topic, and that has also cost him (though very little, I'll wager, as his scholarship speaks louder than his political punditry). It is my sincere hope that before too many more years have passed, we will get past this knee-jerk, point-scoring mentality and take the time to think through our criticisms and look at them not for their strengths but for their weaknesses. When we can do that, we'll be one more step in the direction of getting things *right* rather than "Right."

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Title Commenter Date Thread
Obama's words in the Rose Garden the day after the Benghazi attacks on the consulate and CIA compound [95 words]Rory SquaricOct 23, 2012 02:06199984
1I hope you have since realized what the problem with this is [175 words]saraOct 25, 2012 18:32199984
Debates and voters [99 words]seanOct 19, 2012 19:12199929
Romney momentum [76 words]simonOct 18, 2012 21:13199916
Shallow [19 words]James GrayOct 18, 2012 02:49199903
Reflecting on Reflections [1212 words]Anatoly TsaliovichOct 18, 2012 02:19199902
2Exactly Wrong, Mr Pipes. NONE of this matters anymore! [171 words]stanley bOct 17, 2012 18:49199889
Romney won on substance [267 words]Kepha HorOct 17, 2012 21:02199889
What does 'indigo' feel like? [262 words]stanley bOct 18, 2012 20:13199889
I said I'm from Indigoland [46 words]Kepha HorOct 18, 2012 21:41199889
Indigo- Brush up on my colors... [196 words]stanley bOct 20, 2012 18:53199889
Peace, Bro. [25 words]Kepha HorOct 22, 2012 21:00199889
3It feels like the sky is falling ~ [320 words]saraOct 17, 2012 18:41199887
1REFLECTIONS ON SECOND PRESIDENTIAL M DEBATE [125 words]samOct 17, 2012 15:03199885
1what the future may hold [183 words]Jules PostenOct 17, 2012 14:03199883
2Obama - Teflon man - the left's man [93 words]Sailor46Oct 17, 2012 12:20199882
Overstating the case [47 words]MikeOct 17, 2012 08:07199876
1Accuracy [65 words]Susan H. SomervilleOct 17, 2012 03:33199873
2Sept 12: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation" [91 words]CarlOct 17, 2012 02:02199872
1Not lying but twisting the truth [319 words]saraOct 17, 2012 19:27199872
2You're reading far more into my comment than you ought to. [574 words]CarlOct 17, 2012 20:08199872
2I just research the facts, as should you [719 words]saraOct 17, 2012 20:29199872
I'll look at the hearings again. [208 words]CarlOct 17, 2012 21:00199872
1Disgusting and vile [104 words]MarkOct 18, 2012 12:16199872
2Lying again. [87 words]batya daganOct 17, 2012 00:41199869
Fox News fact checkers say Obama mentions "act of terror" in his Rose Garden speech on Sep 12 [124 words]Mark JamesOct 17, 2012 00:37199868
1Missing the Point [96 words]Joe FalkOct 17, 2012 19:09199868

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