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Twelve TribesReader comment on item: Catching Up on Libya Submitted by Michael S. (United States), Oct 17, 2014 at 07:56 Hi, Tovey. You asked, Really; does that mean to you then that those who claim Abraham's promise to the land are, as the 'Palestinians' assert, not part of the remnant, the diaspora that had made aliyah? I really have to cut that up to chew on it. "Those who claim Abraham's promise". Who would that be? I could cut that even further, and ask, "which promise to Abraham? I assume you are talking about various promises to Abraham, that his descendants will inherit the Land of Israel. I'd better post a couple of them here, so we're sure we're on the same page: Genesis 12: There, God promises Abram (to be later re-named Abraham) that he will become a great nation, etc. He doesn't specify here that he (i.e. his descendants) will live out that promise in Israel; but He conditions the promise on Abram's going to the land God sends him to (modern-day Israel). Another promise: Genesis 12: There, Abram's seed was promised what the world calls the "West Bank". This promise came as a result of Abraham, in obedience to God, having done aliyah. Another promise: Gen. 13: Abram was previously granted land around Nablus. This time around, he was also promised the land around Hebron. Between those two promises, he was certainly promised what the world calls the "West Bank", and what many Jews call "Yesh", or "Judea & Samaria". Those were promises concerning the modern State of Israel, specifically the "territories" annexed in 1967. Let us assume that it is the promise to these lands that you are referring. I know that Paul spoke in the NT about other promises; or rather, those promises taken a referring to a metaphor of spiritual things to come: Galatians 3: Which promise was Paul referring to here? Gal. 3: Paul is referring to the promise in Genesis 12:2, which did not specifically mention an inheritance in the Land of Israel. Elsewhere, he said: Hebrews 11: In what I hope is a proper answer to your question,
But you asked,
The "promise to the land" belongs, as I said, to the Jewish people. Certainly the returning Jewish diaspora (the "remnant", if you will) is covered here. As for what the "Palestinians" assert, specifically the Palestinian Muslims, they believe the promise to the land is given through Ibrahim (Abraham) via Ishmael (thence Muhammed and his "seed"), and not Isaac (thence the Jews). They are incorrect in this, being ignorant of the Bible. There are others, including many Arabs and non-Arabs as well (particularly neo-Nazis) who insist that today's Jews are not descended from Abraham. This is an unfounded fiction, and several scientific genetic studies have traced Jewish origins, whether they be Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Mizrahi, Bukhari, etc., back to a Middle Eastern people. Most Jews are of yDNA haplogroup J2 (connected to the Turks, Iraqis and Lebanese), E1b1b (connected to the Egyptians and other N. Africans), and J1 (concentrated among the Arabs, particularly the Yemenites). The Cohen Modal Haplotype, leading back to Aaron the High Priest, is present in about half of the self-identified "Cohens" among the Jews, in the J1 haplogroup. This points to a very close connection between the Jews and the Arabs, who, of course, are both descended from Abraham. A substantial number of Ashkenazi Jews carry a R1a yDNA haplogroup common to Russians and probably to the ancient Khazars -- a Turkic-speaking tribe whose leaders converted to Judaism. Many Ashkenazi Levites, in particular, carry this gene -- which demonstrates that the Levites were not so careful to preserve their line as were the Cohens. Of course this points to a great deal of non-Jewish male converts in Jewish history, as does the fairly large amount of R1b (a West European haplogroup) among both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. It should also be pointed out that Abraham's promise of the land was passed on through Jacob's twelve sons, not his daughter Dinah. It was through the sons that the land was divided into the "twelve tribes". The fact that among all the tribes, only that Levi (through the Cohens, not the modern Levites) has been preserved. The rest are lost, even the tribe of Judah. The female lines, however, point to a common ancestry; as does the autosomal DNA. With respect to the latter, the Jewish people from all over the world show a greater affinity to other people of the Levant than to the natives of the countries where they sojourned. Finally, even though the land was divided by tribes according to the paternal line (and also by converts living in those tribal areas), the promises, all of them, were to the "bnei" Avraham, which should proberly be translated as "descendants" (male and female), not strictly sons. Torah gives an example of transmission of a family's inheritance to female lines when the male line has died out, so the tribes cannot be exclusively determined by DNA. Have I covered all bases? Shalom shalom :-) Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments". Reader comments (17) on this item
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