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Timeline of some early prophetsReader comment on item: Russia and the Middle East: A tour d'horizon Submitted by Michael S (United States), Feb 1, 2015 at 11:15 Hi, Tovey Good scriptures there. Then you said, Isaiah reveals Israel's rebirth in verse 8 and prefaces the rebuilding the of the third Temple with the LORD's declaration of covenant blessings at the point of His return, following the purge of the Temple Mount in preparation of His entrance to bless, once again, the people called by HaShem. I'm inclined to agree with you, that the Temple won't be rebuilt until Messiah's return. I see no reason to forbid pious Jews from rebuilding it right now, if they have a heart to do so. That's what motivated David to build (though God didn't allow the actual assembly to proceed until after David died), and what motivated Haggai to encourage the Jews to finish the work on the Second Temple. The temple plan shows us the way, spiritually, to approach God; and the continual shedding of blood there shows us the earnest, deadly seriousness that our relationship with God involves. Today, there are activists who would deny God His proper worship in order to satisfy the vain sensitivities of vegetarians. We still slaughter animals on an industrial scale; we're just squeamish about honoring God in the process. As I said, it would be a good thing, it seems to me, to rebuild the Temple right now; but I don't see that happening, until the Mount has been prepared and ritually cleansed. Even then, with modern labor laws, bureaucracy and cost over-runs, I expect this temple to take 40 years to build, just like the last one (Cathedrals take 100 years to build nowadays, just as in the Middle Ages). I don't want to wait that long, to see Messiah's return. Both the prophets you cite were pre-exilic. Isaiah 66 seems, at first glance, to be an end-times prophecy; but the passage in Yoel may be a foretelling of the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. Yoel is difficult to date, because, unlike Isaiah, he doesn't give us the necessary information. Those very allusions to the Temple that you show, though, and to the priestly office, seem to place him in the First Temple period. Some have placed him in the Second Temple period, but I doubt this. Here's a timeline that seems reliable:
You cited the following:
That doesn't sound like Messiah's triumphal return, because it talks about "those who escape". That sounds more like the destruction of the First Temple in 570 BC. Also, the passage talks about those "who call on the name of the LORD." There's a parallel situation in Genesis: Genesis 4: Adam had a ready-made relationship with God, until he and Eve blew it through their sin. In the days of Seth, men began to "call upon the name of the LORD", to establish a fleeting contact with the Almighty, from their various places of exile. After Messiah's return, I don't expect things to be that way. I don't know exactly what to expect. I call on Hashem right now, and He hears me. Another point worth noting: The City of Rome hadn't even been founded yet in the days of Isaiah and Joel. The latter's geography agrees with this: He doesn't mention Rome; but his world extends to Tarshish (Tartesus), a Carthaginian colony in Spain, to Pul (undefined) and Lud (Lydia, in W. Turkey), to Tubal & Javan (also in Turkey), lands where the Apostle Paul would spend much of his ministry, Thus, the saying, "And they shall bring all your brothers from all the nations as an offering to the LORD, on horses and in chariots and in litters and on mules and on dromedaries, to my holy mountain Jerusalem" may be a foretelling of the time after the Second Temple was destroyed, and the Jews scattered for some 1900 years -- to be brought back in ships and aircraft captained by gentiles. As I said in other posts, Isaiah sometimes prophesied of the latter days; he just didn't provide many details, because some (such as the Roman Empire) did not exist yet. Thanks for sharing. God bless & keep you. Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments". Reader comments (13) on this item
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