Submitted by M Tovey (United States), Sep 29, 2020 at 22:37
Greetings Michael S;
We have circled this pond before. And, I believe we have exchanged our relative views on this in similar, if not concentric positions around belief of what we were taught versus what we might have been our earlier passages of indoctrination; which potentially, like you, was part of the various and somewhat tainted hermeneutical and erudite exegetical manifestation of humanistic aberrations of apostate Christianity. This was and has been an extreme source of many attempts to seek a better relationship with Jesus Christ; I am confident of my salvation, but have been concertedly annoyed by attempts of those same voices in history that try to contain my discipleship with philosophies that cannot be sourced in truth because they had not found the Truth themselves, either by design or spiritual interference.
It is recalled, not necessarily with any of our own previous encounters, that this exchange was based upon sharing similar early life indoctrinations from the gnostic and other apostate Christian schools of thought, mine starting in Episcopalian environs, later to be enhanced with Catholic high school; and was a full adult before accepting Jesus Christ as Savior, knowing Him at that time as the expressed Son of God, fully human and fully divine, if for no other reason than it is written by people to whom He manifested Himself in full glory. There are those witnesses we hear from today by parole evidence.
The words we use today, especially in the multiple versions of English translations that are the basis of centuries of Gospel witness, had been a source of revelation, and consternation, for decades. Try as I might, reading and reading and looking for confirmation of belief was (and in some respects, still is) exasperating until that moment when I found trying to understand from a mere flesh perspective was the source of my futility. And herein, the path to my understanding was frustrated by focusing on just English translations, because English does not convey the concepts as relayed through the original thought structure of the Chaldee/Aramaic/Paleo-Hebrew of what was written by the ancients.
Now, this reader is sure of Whom he has believed: Isaiah predicts and Paul prophesies; Yeshua is challenged by the Sadducees and they withdraw for the lack of knowledge of Who He is. The Pharisees cannot make the connection Yeshua makes with His references to be counted in the same Spirit (Isaiah 61) as the Father, for the same reasons those who could have confirmed that connection to me could not. The same Christian conundrum exists today. There are so many more obstacles to believing in the Savior, HaMashiach, the Jewish Savior, today than there was in the 50 days after the crucifixion, when people firsthand witnessed the ascension and wrote about it to the people of the time (not in English, by the way).
When Saul of Tarsus, a consummate Jew of his time who knew of the ascension by parole evidence, used the info to persecute the early believers. However, he had 'the encounter' on the Damascus Road (somewhere near Alonei Habashan) in the Golan, he reports his life would never be the same after being confronted by the One whom they crucified, resurrected and ascended; was that a flesh encounter? Thereafter known as Paul, to what do we ascribe his writings when he argues for the deity of Yeshua?
Again, this reader is sure of Whom he has believed. However, there is no longer the need for me to convince others of that conviction; this is why in times past I left off the process of trying when you and I were matching answer with answer; as said before: Scriptures are not up for debate. Debating over the Truth solves nothing new or old, and worse, causes frictions and conflict, something I am no longer interested in promoting. The prophetic happenings we are witnessing are sufficient in my mind that I am in the position to be patient and see what spectacular thing(s) is/are up next.
COVID 19 is just that kind of spectacle. That it is interfering with the High Holy Days in 5781 speaks to the 'peace' agreement from 5780 that might lead to the commencement of the next Temple (Ezekiel 40, et al). It is unmistakable that His hand is being shown. (Jeremiah 33, Zechariah 12, 14).
And by the way, I always respected your opinion, even as we varied on our differing perspectives; the reason is I was there too, for a very long time. But as later learned, part of the final analysis is that among the things I treasure the most is the view of Zion in the prophets, something that cannot be fully captured in English.
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