To Gary

Submitted by Allonehhob (Canada), Nov 1, 2005 at 13:15

You said
"frankly allonehhob, and i dont want to speak for iasius, but you seem to have missed the point."

I am not sure if I missed the point but I apologize if I did

You said
"jesus was a rabbi and a jew. since the beginning of the jewish religion, education had been preached over violence and being kind to your neighbor was the jewish way of life. jesus was merely expounding and expanding what he had been taught his whole life."
Yes you are right, Jesus said in his words that "I did not come to cancel but to fulfill"
" and do you seriously think that jesus woke up one morning and said, hey, im the son of god. he had been told by other people his whole life that he was the son of god so did you expect him to reject it? "

We believe in trinity, the son the father and the holy spirit, Jesus is the Messiah who was not accepted by his own people because he was not a political saviour, he didn't save the Jews from the Roman's occupation, he came as a spiritual saviour

You said

"it is so amusing to me that in the year 2005 people can still "believe" things which have no possibility of being true, i.e. people coming back from the dead and someone being born without a father. the very notion is ludicrious. but when its been shoved down your throat since birth, i guess you eventually swallow it."

I am glad that I was able to amuse you, if you are not convinced with what I said, at least you had a good laugh.

You said
"i have never heard from anyone that jesus ever said he was trying to form a new religion. someone else did that. as a rabbi, he most likely was trying to reform his own religion and add to its adherents by including the peasants and the hopeless amongst its numbers. i have no doubt in my mind that jesus was a wonderful human being but i can say with ultimate confidence that he was no closer to god then you or i.

You are right, Jesus came to fulfill thousands of years of Prophets predictions. I am glad that you consider Jesus a wonderful human being. It is not only me but billions through history and in present are fully confidant that he is the closest to God than any human or entity ever exists. History proofed that.

You said
" i, myself am a diest. the only thing that decides my faith is me because i refuse to become dehumanized by what someone wrote in a book thousands of years ago. and all of us carp on the moslems but what was one of the first pronouncements of the new christian religion? only those who believe in christ can be saved. substitute the word allah for christ and you have a different version of the same thing." man wasnt created in the image of god, god was created in the image of man and then conveniently parochialized. "

The theology of Islam is opposite to what of Christianity, Jesus came for all humanity past and present. Personally I strongly believe that who ever knows and practice real love to humanity through his/her own ways whether through organized or non organized religion is what matters, after all this is the main message of Jesus. When Jesus said "who ever did not commit a sin then through her with a rock" he revolutionized humans concept of justice and fair. No one can decide or predict who will be saved and who will not. Through his life and his teachings, Jesus changed so many human concepts, he also said that you will be known from what you do. No real christian believes that a criminal who believes in Jesus is better than a good human who does well to the world.

I believe If the world follow Jesus' teachings, no matter if they believe that he is divine or not, the world will be full of peace and joy, Jesus introduced human rights and equality concepts which is the bases of the civilization of this century.

Shalom, Peace be with you

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