Iasius "sense" and "correction?" Part- II

Submitted by Don (India), Dec 8, 2005 at 13:01

Iasius writes

Don himself states a little later in his piece," I have not included the physical abuse, torture, terror, abuse and rape of nuns, beating of priests, killings etc" and, "there will be attacks on churches, priest or nuns in that state and sometimes sporadic attacks in neighboring states…", the alleged attacks seem to target only the clergy. Perhaps one can imagine the level of provocation provided by these agents of rank commercialism, sufficient to cause the traditionally docile and tolerant ‘Hindu' to turn violent!

So you thought that was an antithesis and that I was confounded when I said that, right? Well in your blind haste you have failed to emphasize what implied and had jumped exultingly for "believing" that you had found a "confusion"…the poor soul you are!

Do you know why I didn't include human life? Because that would be in itself a broad topic. But since you wanted it, here it is! (only preiest are attacked, Iasius?)

A priest attending the poor KILLED by "mobs"
http://www.dalitstan.org/journal/genocide/christians/cleanshr.html

Christian priest MURDERED and a nun is attacked
http://www.holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka04005.html

Father Job Chittilappilly was KILLED, Bibles burned, Tabernacle and statues of saints estroyed by a mob of 300 Hindus in Orissa
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=1404

Hindu radicals attacking Christian students at a train station in Kota, India
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/CWN/111805persecutedindia.asp

Rape of four nuns and the KILLING of a Christian girl and her little brother "by Hindu fundamentalists"….
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/koenraadelst/hfatbjpg.html

November 2001…. Four Christian workers receive serious injuries when they are attacked by a group of Hindu militants near Himmatgarh village of the Dhar district in Madhya Pradesh state……
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

August 2001 In Madya Pradesh state, a nun is shot in the face by four men believed to be militant Hindus
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

December 2000 at least five nuns beaten up and the young cook gang raped. The body of a 35 year old man involved in Christian missionary work is found (KILLED) in Kandhamal, Orissa state;
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

RIOTS
June 2000 Four Christian churches are bombed, in Andrha Pradesh, Karnataka, and Goa, injuring several
people.
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

May 2000 A Christian meeting is bombed at Machlipatnam in the state of Andhra Pradesh…An annual Christian convention in Maharashtra is attacked by a mob of Hindu militants…..
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

September 1999 A Catholic priest, Father Arul Doss, is murdered by a Hindu mob in Jambani in Orissa state
http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/India.htm

Copies of Bible snatched, devotees slapped during a prayer meeting, Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/july00/storybox1.htm

Mob attack on a catholic School, Patna, Bihar
http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/july00/storybox1.htm

Bajrang Dal men beat up Christians, Ahmedabad, Gujarat
http://www.sabrang.com/cc/comold/july00/storybox1.htm



Attacks on Christians in 2000

The All–India Christian Council claims there have been over 300 attacks targeting Christians and their institutions in different parts of the country in the last two years. Given below is a list of attacks since the dawn of the new millennium.
•January 1: Father Vikas attacked at St. Mary's School, Panipat, Haryana.
•February 18: Attack on a hospital and desecration of Mother Mary's statue, Dindigul, Tamil Nadu.
• March 7: Copies of Bible snatched, devotees slapped during a prayer meeting, Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
• March 9: Ish Mata Catholic Church looted, a portion of the rear wall destroyed, Samalkha, Haryana.
•March 12: A computer centre run by the Christians looted; inmates locked, Ghaziabad, UP.
•March 31: Two priests attached to the Archbishop's House taken to police station on fake charges and detained, Agra, UP.
•April 6: St. Dominic's School attacked and the principal abused for refusing admission to a few children, Mathura, UP.
•April 10: Sacred Heart School attacked by parents for not promoting students who had failed in the examinations, Mathura, UP.
•April 11: Murderous attack on the principal and nuns of St. Teresa School, Koshi Kalan, UP.
•April 21: Christian group from Hyderabad attacked, literature they were carrying set on fire by Bajrang Dal activists, Haryana.
•April 25: Two nuns hit by a scooterist, Rewari, Haryana.
•May 2: Masked men assault nuns at a convent, Jhansi, UP.
•May 3: Christian group beaten up The Dangs, Gujarat.
•May 3: Break-in at a church, Sagarpur, Delhi.
•May 4: Mob attack on a catholic School, Patna, Bihar.
•May 6: Bajrang Dal men beat up Christians, Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
•May 6: 13 Christians arrested for holding prayer meetings and street plays without prior permission, The Dangs, Gujarat.
•May 9: The VHP, Bajrang Dal men barge into a girls' hostel and assault those watching a film on Jesus Christ, Nasik, Maharashtra.
•May 11: A Jesuit stabbed, Basavanpura village near Bangalore, Karnataka.
•May 13: 3 churches attacked in Indore
•May 16: A priest attacked, Bhind, MP.
•May 21: 30 people injured in a bomb blast at a prayer meeting, Machilipatnam, Andhra Pradesh.
•May 21: Prayer homes torched, Kandhmal district, Orissa.
•May 29: IED's found in churches, Medak, Vikarabad, AP.
•June 7: A priest murdered at Paulus Memorial School, Mathura,UP.
•June 8: Bomb explosion in churches, Karnataka, AP and Goa.
•June 11: A priest is killed, Jalandhar, Punjab.
•June 14: Priest beaten, paraded, in a village in Jagdalpur, MP.
•June 18: Eyewitness of priest's murder dies in police custody, Mathura, UP.
•June 24: Graves dug up near church, AP.
•June 27: Miscreants ransack a church, Pusad,
•July 5: Missionary school guard beaten up, Jhansi, UP.
•July 5: Bajrang Dal force closure of Christian school, Ahmedabad


Iasisus comments

"Both Babri Masjid and Gujarat happened for reasons about which Don is as usual confused. Babri Masjid, from all honest accounts, was stubborn and persistent refusal by the Muslim community to correct historical usurpation of a site sacred to a section of the ‘Hindus'. For Muslims, it was no more than another mosque,.."

The reason of its destruction is not what I'm trying to exhibit here. The point here is (which you seem to dodge) a "mob" or "multitude" of thousands or millions can rise to a religious or political occasion instigated by certain "leader" or "leaders"…Good that you got my point! why the mosque was destroyed is not the bone of contention here. The same leader that instigated the mob are now shedding crocodile tears and "regretting what they have done" and are now calling for harmony and peace among all Indians. There was better ways to solve the Babri Mosque case in civilized way for eternity, even if it takes time instead of regretting afterwards…. "Babri Masjid destruction on 6 December was 'unfortunate and painful'….L. K Advani……. http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01052001/Art06.htm)

Iasius continues

Actually, anyone who is aware of her (Mother Theresa) inspiration, thoughts and actions might be "shy" to say she was a ‘fellow-human being'!

Mother Theresa not a human being? Your arrogance has no limits and I feel so sad that I'm trying to discuss with a "human" like you (if you are really human).

Again

"And, by the way, Christianity does not convert by force only because it can't. It certainly would if it could. Even Gandhi was "allergic" to missionary activism and its sole purpose, proselytization"..

Yes, Christianity doesn't convert by force. It is really nonsense to make someone accept Jesus Christ by force or at gun point or by money. Yes Christianity will not convert by force, because it is against the fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ. Forcing someone to accept Christ is really ridiculous.

It is obvious that Gandhi might have some negative things to say about missionaries because the work of the missionaries was always attached with colonial powers at that time. But that doesn't mean even missionaries were not doing good work at that time.
You keep on chanting "proselytization" like a tune. Look at the percentage of Indian Christians in the past 40-50 years. It is merely at the lowest percentage of 2% and has remained so for the past four decades and you talk about proselytization and "mass conversion"! I know for an atheist like you even the 2% is bewilderment!

As to your atheistic article of missionaries did that, they did this (even connecting them with mafias) I better dump it as goosy.

The madness continues

"Experience has taught Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists that they have nothing to fear from ‘Hindus' on account of any doctrinal consideration. Your "next target" hypothesis about Sikhs, Jains, et al, is thus pathetically untenable because these denominations are part of the same ‘Hindu' tradition of tolerance (as a principle, not policy) with whom they share a common destiny….."

Here iasuis is trying to lecture to us that since Hinduism is tolerant it doesn't have any problem inside it. This is to say like since all Christians denominations have a common destiny so they don't have misunderstanding or since Islam has one Book and one prophet there is not dispute among all the Muslim denominations. Read the "politicization" of Hinduism and the friction it has created with the Sikh community a post written by a B.Singh on this same topic Dec 2, 2005 06:30 To Vishnu-The Evils of Hindu Fanatics on Sikhs"….Even Hinduism has internal problem just like any other religion. It is a common knowledge that any "believing" Hindu who might not "subscribe" to the ideology of the fanatics can also be a target by the same people. The Islamic Iran has warned its' own Muslim countries of being too "complaisant." with Israel…for fanatic people there is nothing more irritating than seeing their follow "co-religionists" becoming "soft" or "cooperating" with the people whom you see as a "threat" . The RSS fanatic as they are can get irritated if the Jains (being one of the most peaceful and non violent by nature) instead of standing with them and fight for "Hindutva", slide away or brush them aside"…This can anger the RSS and make the Jains "traitors" or "cowards" and they can be potential targets too. They will be wise enough not to back up someone coming in the name of "violence" because it would do no good to any one and would be potentially catastrophic to the whole nation. That is my point and it was too advanced for you to catch it and made you jump instead to your "hocus-pocus" of how Hinduism is "so- sweet" and is without any bitterness!

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