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Submitted by Tom Norton (United States), Feb 20, 2006 at 22:46

To B. Mustapha,

Here is the answer to your first asked question which most of the moslems misquote while trying to make Islam look a religion of peace, tolerance & non-violence.

you wrote :
"Qur'an says killing a single soul is like killing the whole of humanity...with this verse & many others how can one conclude that Islam says muslims should just kill or behead every non-muslim?"

This verse is misquoted as it is taken in reference to bible in the koran. No one is concluding anything from this verse but from the below verses .

What about these verses, can you deny them ?

Terror

3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Moreover Allah says of those who reject him. Because, Allah has already sentenced them to death.

Unbelievers

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 "Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed."

4:84, Then fight in Allah's cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah's: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 "Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. "(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!

48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

Afterlife

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin."

22:19-22, These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

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On the other hand, the Qur'an and other Islamic books like Al-Hadith and Al-Sira, i.e. the life of Muhammad, are full of evidence which proves that had it not been for violence, Islam wouldn't have existed or wouldn't have survived until today. A good example to mention would be The Wars Of Al-Riddah, i.e. 'the wars against the apostates', that began immediately after the death of Muhammad. Feeling relieved by the disappearance of the strong fearful leader Muhammad, the tribes which have been forced to embrace Islam, revolted and began, one after another, to renegade and to refuse paying the taxes imposed on them by the Prophet's government. In response to the revolution, the first Caliph, Abu-Bakr, ordered his army to fight the apostates. It took him almost two years of fighting to force the tribes back into the fold of Islam. These wars were not ordered only by the first Caliph, but they were also instructed by Allah and his messenger Muhammad. The Qur'an states clearly that those who go back from Islam are to be punished by death: "But if they turn renegades seize them and slay them wherever ye find them and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Al-Nisaa 4:89." Muhammad also said, as narrated by Al-Bukhari, "If somebody - a Muslim - discards his religion, kill him."

The Qur'an not only ordered the killing of those who embraced Islam and afterwards decided to renegade, but also commanded the followers to fight all nations until they either believe in it, pay the Jizya or face death:

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. Surat At-Tauba 9:29"

And in the same Sura, verse 5, the Qur'an also states: "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem ..." Now doesn't the image of Islam as a religion of peace sound, after all, a little bit hard to believe? ...

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to fahad [106 words]A paganFeb 10, 2006 11:1834303
The Clash [90 words]HeatherFeb 8, 2006 02:4134298
Cartoons and "moderate" Muslims. [93 words]Kingsley BeattieFeb 8, 2006 01:0034284
Gentleman, Draw Your Pencils! [74 words]charles martelFeb 7, 2006 23:4234277
FIRE! [89 words]John LothFeb 7, 2006 22:4434267
Moderate muslims? [81 words]JoJoFeb 7, 2006 22:2634263
A tragic mistake to lump all muslims with the forces of darkness... [520 words]AmandaFeb 7, 2006 21:5734260
Lumping Themselves [123 words]orange yonasonFeb 8, 2006 04:2934260
Duplicate Cartoons [221 words]John R. PeacherFeb 7, 2006 21:5134258
Muslims love to emulate Mohammed [70 words]Romesh ChanderFeb 7, 2006 21:3934255
A collective action showing the unity of Muslim States. [112 words]John BergFeb 7, 2006 21:1434254
Unity of muslim states? [43 words]Teez bin-Zabourah Al-ZibFeb 8, 2006 08:3534254
Publish ! [93 words]TonyFeb 8, 2006 10:3434254
East Vs West [53 words]David StadtnerFeb 7, 2006 20:3634243
Islam reveals its true colors [361 words]MortaryanFeb 7, 2006 19:5634238
HOLOCAUST CARTOONS [33 words]Asim AhmedFeb 8, 2006 05:2634238
Mohammed Who? [410 words]dominiqueFeb 8, 2006 07:4534238
to Asim [39 words]SiddaFeb 8, 2006 14:4134238
Re: Holocaust Cartoons [146 words]Jim ParhFeb 8, 2006 14:5934238
Transfer Of Power [144 words]Darwin BarrettFeb 7, 2006 19:3034231
Silent Muslims are not "moderate" [204 words]PatFeb 7, 2006 19:2734230
Reciprocity and quarantine [65 words]Walter E. WallisFeb 7, 2006 19:2134228
wishful thinking [114 words]RobFeb 7, 2006 18:5334222
moderate muslims [73 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
robert finkFeb 7, 2006 18:2934214
Response to Robert Fink from a moderate muslim [143 words]A. AhmedFeb 7, 2006 19:0634214
Moderate Muslims [91 words]dFeb 7, 2006 23:0234214
72 Virgins [60 words]Nenette GrunbergFeb 8, 2006 09:4734214
Response to A. Ahmed [23 words]John SmithFeb 12, 2006 16:0834214
Reply for Smith but with Ahmed [96 words]HarrakFeb 13, 2006 23:1834214
To A. Ahmed - How many more of you are there? [65 words]PaulMar 26, 2006 09:0834214
Right is right [89 words]H. YazdiFeb 7, 2006 18:2234211
UK Freedom of the Press [48 words]DukeFeb 7, 2006 18:1134205
To Duke [22 words]Dinesh PatelFeb 27, 2006 13:2734205
Clash [136 words]Donald W. BalesFeb 7, 2006 18:0634204
Time For Moderate Muslims To Take Back Your Faith [57 words]AnneMFeb 7, 2006 17:5634198
What is moderate "Islam"? [175 words]Janet AnnFeb 9, 2006 18:0834198
To Janet Ann; the comic reader [443 words]BilalNov 25, 2006 00:2234198
one swallow does not make a summer [66 words]ItalianFeb 7, 2006 17:4734196
informative [19 words]HarrakFeb 7, 2006 17:3534192
Is there anything we can do about it? [171 words]BorisFeb 7, 2006 17:2834190
to boris - you've summed up the situation [12 words]BruriaFeb 8, 2006 08:0134190
What can we do? A possible answer to Boris' question. [219 words]Bernard KimmelFeb 11, 2006 12:1134190
What to do? We must push back. [65 words]John BergFeb 20, 2006 11:1734190
re Cartoon Jihad [163 words]Muriel EfronFeb 7, 2006 17:2534188
Moderate Muslims Also Live In Fear [152 words]Mike RamirezFeb 7, 2006 17:2134186
APPEASE-APPEASE-APPEASE [147 words]DONVANFeb 7, 2006 17:1034183
I fear one side... [49 words]VIcFeb 8, 2006 23:0634183
Ruling on one who insults the Prophet [134 words]Jeff DavisFeb 7, 2006 17:0434181

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