moshe you're half right

Submitted by susan (Italy), Sep 28, 2006 at 16:00

You wrote "However they were not worse than the other Asiatic barbarian savages who conquered Europe 200-300 years earlier while destroying the Roman Empire, which was also "a very well established civilization"."

I am Italian, and the Roman empire is MY history.

1) the fall of the empire wasn't due solely to the barbarians, there were other main factors as well. Modern history recognize them. Basically the empire was dying. The Roman empire was at its downfall.

2) the barbarians who conquered europe (not all of them asians, but this is not important) if there's one thing to say about them (and some of them established themselves in MY AREA) was that they weren't those stupids they were believed to be and one thing for sure, they had enough mental capabilities to LEARN and take the best from the ruins of the roman empire. Therefore the muslims weren't better of the barbarians, they were worse. Trust this from someone who KNOWS her own history

3) christians used to burn books but muslims did it too (alexandria library). This sounds much like muslim propaganda, since even one of the RARE muslim culture master, avicenna, was strongly criticized and ostracized by muslim clerics, not different from what happened to Galileo. The difference is that the church later admitted they were wrong, but muslims still think that Avicenna was a beloved scholar. Truth is that avicenna could do his studies IN SPITE of the muslim culture.

4) The real problem of the Muslims is their miserable present which has roots in their past.

5) Don't praise Ataturk. Turkey is a 3rd world country by any standard, it's full of religious fanatics that are only kept because of the army and police. Ataturk only tried to substitute muslims ego with nationalism (close to fascism) but if you look at muslims' personality, adding nationalism to religious fanatism is like adding fuel to fire. As a matter of fact, Turkey is causing the world more problems than Morocco or Tunisia. Turkey did genocide, Turkey de facto occupied Cyprus. If you ask me, there is more to fear from Turkey than from Egypt.

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