Abdullah - another propagandist

Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Feb 11, 2007 at 19:54

Abdullah, you're clearly another pro-Islam propagandist, here to spread lies. I accept your challenge and will show you how easily your propaganda is shot down. You wrote:

"Judging by many of these responses, the majority of you do not personally know any Muslims and, like the general public, your knowledge of Islam is purely based on what you read in the news."

Those of us who stand firm against the onslaught of the violent and evil ideolog that is Islam are well informed on the matter and base our views on reality itself, both current and historical. We do not base our knowledge of Islam on "what we read in the news". That should be obvious to you, since we are exposing Islam as a violent, depraved death cult, while the mainstream media is intent on marketing Islam as the "religion of peace" and pushing the absurd claim that it is an inherently peaceful religion that is merely being misused by a smal handful of radicals. If we were basing what we say on what's being presented in the media, then we'd also be calling it a "religion of peace", in stark denial of reality and history.

Many of us also have extensive contacts with Muslims as I myself have noted in other threads.

So down goes your first claim.

"Even bearing this in mind, however, I must say that I'm surprised by how many people truely believe that Islam is a religion that preaches violence and fail to differentiate Islam from radical Islam, as Dr. Pipes put it and extremist Muslims from the majority of Muslims."

Your claim that Muslims are mainly peaceful is so absurd as to be insulting to anyone with intelligence. A Pew Center poll done in Jordan showed that 86% of Jordanians favor suicide bombing against innocent Israelis, while 70% of them approve of such attacks against Americans. When asked whether it was ok to engage in violence to "protect Islam" (ie when a magazine published cartoons of Mohammed), 88% of Jordanians said yes (year 2005 poll), 53% of Egyptians said yes, and 69% of Nigerian Muslims said yes.

Fully 90% of all terrorist groups are Muslim, and they mainly target innocent, unarmed civilians. Over 90% of the wars currently occuring on the planet involve Islam. Islam is involved in a war of genocide against Christians around the world, especially in Sudan.

61% of Muslims in Nigeria express confidence in Osama Bin Laden. An overwhelming majority (80% - 90%) of Muslims surveyed worldwide claim that the controversy and violence over the cartoons of Mohammed are the fault of the west. In other words, all that rioting, looting, pillaging, cold blooded murder, and arson are justified in their eyes.

Down goes yet another claim of Abdullah's.

"Like with any religion, you are going to have extremists on either side and Islam is (clearly) no exception. Just because I am Muslim does not mean that I agree with lunatics like Osama Bin Laden and his sort. I do not know a single Muslim (and I know lots) who does."

Then you must be living in a cave with Buddhists, because Muslims are mainly violent, and the very few "peaceful" ones do nothing to reform their religion.

"Furthermore, it is important to realize that being prejudiced towards people, killing innocent people and other things that people like him promote are actually AGAINST the teachings of Islam."

Oh really? So why then are these verses in the Koran?

4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

3.118: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.

9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

47.4: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

We can go on and on with violence in Islam, quoted from the Koran, the Hadith, and other sources.

Once again Abdullah's propaganda is exposed for the world to see.

"There is nothing in Islam that says we cannot coexist in peace."

Except for all the verses that preach hatred and violence against non-Muslims, of course! Abdullah caught in a blatant lie. You Muslim propagandists aren't very good at your job. Down goes another claim of yours.

"For those of you bashing our Prophet etc, I challenge you to find me 1 example where he violently forced people into Islam."

Just one? Ok, I'll oblige. When Mohammed attacked the Jews in Medina circa 627 BC, he ordered a pit dug around the market and he lined up the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe, and told them they had to convert to Islam or die. When they refused, they had their heads cut off and they were thrown into the mass grave. He had 900 Jews slaughtered in a single day for refusing to submit to and convert to Islam. Their wives were then raped (some by Mohammed himself) and their children enslaved and forcibly converted to Islam. Does the word "depraved" pop into your head?

And so once again Abdullah is caught with his pants down, lying as is typical of Muslims when it comes to dealing with the West.

"I urge all of you who do not know anything about Islam to read about it."

We have. We've read the Koran, we've read the Hadith, we've read commentary by your religious leaders and "scholars". That's why we understand what a depraved death cult it is, and how it endorses violence.

"Saying that "Islam is a religion that promotes violence" and that "all Muslims should be wiped off the face of the earth", you are showing just as much ignorance and prejudice as the radical Muslims who give this religion a bad name are."

No one is calling for Islam to be wiped off the face of the earth. We want them to be removed from Western countries where they are undermining our cultures and forced back to their own lands unless and until they can reform their violent death cult into a truly peaceful religion. Yes, we do advocate the threat of nuclear annihilation in order to deter mass terror attacks, but that is hardly immoral. All you need to do is not commit the crime and the punishment will then never be forthcoming.

So Abdullah... tell your immam that the propaganda material he gave you did not hold up to the light of truth and that each piece was shot down by a westerner.

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