Our dear Ayaz and the Qur'an really says that Jesus is God. Do not blame me you can only blame poor Muslims

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 5, 2008 at 07:07

>Why are you so worried what i believe?

Our dear Ayaz, what gave you the impression that I'm worried about what "you believe"? It is you that is worried about what we believe that islam does not make any sense and that it is the religion of the Arabs and you ain't no Arab and that Muhammad was an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and that you know no Arabic and that Islam brutalized your Hindu ancestors.

> You should be more worried what you believe! Your statements about islam and muslims is a lie and >a fabrication, be careful where you get your info from.

Really? then prove me wrong. It is you that have no clue. How could you come here and pontificate about islam when you cannot even read the Qur'an in Arabic?

>I leave you with a portion of sura maryam chapter 19 from the Glorius Qur'an :

No it is called Surat Maryam. I suggest that you stick to urdu. The glorious Qur'an! Really?

>(15) And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a >chamber looking East, (16) And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit >and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. (17) She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent >One from thee, if thou art God-fearing. (18) He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may >bestow on thee a faultless son. (19) She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched >me, neither have I been unchaste? (20) He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it >will be) that We may make of him a Protant for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing >ordained. (21) And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place. (22) And the pangs of >childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and >had become a thing of naught, forgotten! (23) Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve >not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee, (24) And shake the trunk of the palm-.tree .toward .thee, >thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee. (25) So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest >any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal. (26) Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing. (27) O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. (28) Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy? (29) He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, (30) And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, (31) And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest. (32) Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! (33) Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. (34) It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. (35) And lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path. (36) The sects among them differ: but woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day. (37) How well they hear and see and hear them on the Day they come unto Us! yet the evil-doers are to-day in error manifest. (38) And warn them of the Day of anguish when the case hath been decided. Now they are in a state of carelessness, and they believe not. (39) Lo! We, inherit the earth and all who are thereon, and unto Us they are returned.

Well you need to read my little chat with another tablighee like you his name is Sohail and check

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/86403

But you need to know Arabic which you do not seem to know but I will help you

1. Only a God does not die. The Qur'an says that Jesus did not die. Therefore congraulations our dear Ayaz but Jesus is your Allhah

2. Only a God can create life and Jesus can breath life in clay birds albeit biidhin Allah. Remember? Therefore congratulations our dear Ayaz but Jesus is indeed your Allah

3. We are also told that Jesus can cure the blind and the leper at a time when no one else could unless he is a God. I must conclude that your Allah is saying that Jesus was either a darn good doctor which he was not or he was a God. Therefore congratualtions our dear Ayaz but Jesus is your Allah.

Now feel free to prove me wrong

>Since you are well versed in arabic i challenge you to show me where in the QUR'AN ie tell me the verse where Allah(GOD) says that Jesus(a messenger - peace be upon him) is called GOD?

But I just told you! Oh, and while we are at it, where does it say in the Qur'an that Muhammad's name is Qutham and his Kunya is Abul Qasim and what is that Ahmad thing?

>Also tell me or name a verse in the Bible that states that Jesus says 'I am God, worship me'?

But our dear Ayaz whose logic is poor:

1. Your Allah tells you that the Christians harafu al-injiil? Right? Oh I forgot that you do not know any Arabic. May be you can ask your Mullah to tell you what yuharafu means! I refuse to translate Arabic for wannabe Arabs like you.

2. Therefore how do you know that Jesus saying "i'm God worship me" was nothing but Biblical tahreef? Oh the word tahreef again

3. And if so why would you quote a kitab mutaharif? Explain it to us ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer?

>Also if this was the religion of the arabs and a god of the arabs only, then why is almost a quarter of the worlds population muslims? The highest number of muslims are in Indonesia - an arab country? Arabs make up only 18% of the whole of the muslim population.

But the Qur'an says

wa ma arsalna min rasulan ila bilisani qawmuhu

Darn it, you do not know any Arabic

More evidence is that the Arabs early on created the concept of al-wali wa al-mawali which means that a convert have to become an Arab first and then become a Muslim! How come you did not know that?

>Why are there about 100,000 non-muslims (atheist, agnostics, christians, jews, hindus, bhuddhists) embracing islam annually in the western countries namely the U.S , UK and Australia only, even after 911(which was executed by a rogue organisation NOT muslims).

Bogus? did you read the Pew report that Muslims in the US are only 0.6% of the population and no one seem to be coverting to the religion of the Arabs as you claim. And the increase in the numbers of Muslims here is driven by immigration and family size. They just have too many babies.

And to add insult to injury: Hindus are the most educated and the wealthiest group here in the US. Pakis? that is a different story.

Your claims are bogus and so is your knowledge

>Were they subjugated at the point of the sword?

Your ancestors ther Hindus were subjucated by the sword. So much for the Stockholm Syndrome

Another verse from the QUR'AN:

>An-Nasr

ROTFL Pakistani Arabic. It is called Surat al-Nasr

>In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

When Allah's succour and the triumph cometh (1) And thou seest mankind entering the religion of Allah in troops, (2) Then hymn the praises of thy Lord, and seek forgiveness of Him. Lo! He is ever ready to show mercy. (3)

>Whether you like it or not Islam is coming for you! Like a tsunami. Don't kid yourself if you want to be successful.

A Tsunami is violent and it kills and destroys very much like islam

>I pray that you open up your heart and that GOD(ALLAH) Guides you to the truth! Ameen.

No Thank you but I do not do Allah.

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