69 million page views

About another kind of still powerless and "moderate muslims"

Reader comment on item: Erdoğan: "Turkey Is Not a Country Where Moderate Islam Prevails"
in response to reader comment: Moderate vs. Consevative Muslim--Islam in Europe

Submitted by Ophelia (Switzerland), Apr 17, 2009 at 23:38

Only 10% of the muslims are arabs, but must pray and demonstrate their knowledge of the Koran in arabic.The paradoxe is that, in arab countries, too many people live their culture in total or partial illliteracy. They never, or rarely, open a book. They speak dialect the all day long. At home, they only watch television shows where ethnic variations and regionalism are more important than the deepest meaning of the situations. They cannot read arabic without the compulsory phonetic signs that cover every line of the Koran in the coranic shools.

Out of there, after having spent many years repeating "by heart" tens of surats, they manage to remember four or five of them, generally the shortest, in order to use them while praying. By the way, a moroccan illiterate does not attend algerian, tunesian,libyan or mauretanian theatrical plays (turn it in every way round). So, what unites them? Islam.

With regards to the rest of the muslims worldwide, the great majority of them have never studied the arabic language. They too, know the koran only by reciting surats, under the flogging and insults of coranic masters, up to the state of unconsciousness. They too, once they have stopped going to the madrasahs, just want to keep in memory the same short and easy surats, useful for praying. That also was the case In Turkey, even before the arabic script was officially replaced by the latin one.

The difference, or better said disadvantage,between that huge majority and their muslim arab "brothers", resides in the pronounciation! Very important in Islam, since the times of Mohamed. That is one of the reasons why he prohibited alcohol drinking! In fact, many muezzins and imams of his new baked religion used to get fully "charged" before calling to prayers and reciting surats. Which is dangerous in all religions, but especially in arabic, where your "r" and, above all, emphasis of the two "l" of Allah cannot be babbled! Have you ever heard Cassius Clay Alias Mohamed Ali (I have), and other black american or nigerian muslims say some verses of the Koran? Arabs laugh at them! The prophet of Islam would have let them be hung or beheaded!

Here is another reason why in Africa,Europe, Indonesia, America, any half-illiterate ethnic arab can pretend to become an imam or ulema. They just pronounce better! Now,are "our" illiterate-in-arabic muslims less dangerous, or less susceptible to temptations than the others? No! They too can decide to learn the beautiful language in which the Koran has been written.They too can be thrown onto the streets by leaders and manipulators, when it comes to insulting Jews and christians. And the more they will understand what Islam is all about, better will they be conscious that it is useless to try to define oneself as a "mild" muslim.

Koran= Read it and take it like it is, because it is not reformable! And you cannot leave Islam, unless you accept the idea of living the rest of your life in hiding, or expecting that, one day, a fatwa which will allow one of your "brothers" to place a couscous pot full of nails and explosive in front of your door.

Submitting....

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Submit a comment on this item

<< Previous Comment      Next Comment >>

Reader comments (54) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
Middle of the road [29 words]PatMar 22, 2013 20:41204600
Last window of the trilogy: the intelligent muslims [598 words]OpheliaApr 19, 2009 01:45154078
3Non-muslim girls are a price catch! [353 words]B.N.GururajApr 20, 2009 07:02154078
2Moderate muslims= powerless muslims [342 words]OpheliaApr 14, 2009 01:00153835
Moderate vs. Consevative Muslim--Islam in Europe [49 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiApr 16, 2009 21:08153835
1About another kind of still powerless and "moderate muslims" [531 words]OpheliaApr 17, 2009 23:38153835
ISLAM [61 words]A.V.DuchMay 12, 2013 20:32153835
Disown Islam's violent past! [212 words]B.N.GururajApr 13, 2009 23:12153833
Disowning the violent past will help but true change will require the following [669 words]SunilApr 15, 2009 02:31153833
response to "Disowning the violent past will help but true change will require the following" [750 words]I.Jahir HussainJan 12, 2010 13:55153833
There is no moderate Islam. So there is a hope. [225 words]HopeWhenThreIsNoModerateIslamApr 12, 2009 21:33153795
ignorance [140 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Michael van der GalienApr 7, 2009 10:55153498
2r.t.erdogan [108 words]no name ( too scared to declare)Jan 27, 2009 20:07149296
Tayyip Erdogan and Islam rules now, Atarturk is history. [361 words]Ayse Dinkal (Ms)Aug 22, 2008 06:12137137
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and Kuran`s Islam [189 words]Sahane MuftuogluSep 4, 2008 10:35137137
I want too [69 words]DolphinSep 10, 2008 10:04137137
In Response to the grandson of Ataturk`s bodyguard [183 words]Sahane MuftuogluSep 16, 2008 09:24137137
Ata is a national hero... [392 words]DolphinSep 16, 2008 20:08137137
Comments on the National Hero Ataturk [14 words]Sahane MuftuogluSep 18, 2008 12:34137137
Glad to see [45 words]DolphinSep 19, 2008 14:44137137
Bayramin Mubarek Olsun Sahane [75 words]DolphinSep 30, 2008 20:46137137
so, should we leave islam? [78 words]havasNov 29, 2008 15:25137137
By all means, stick to Islam [65 words]UgriNov 30, 2008 12:32137137
islam is the best religon [102 words]havasDec 1, 2008 00:59137137
To dolphin [24 words]Sahane SultanJan 6, 2012 18:56137137
1Erdogan accidentally spoke the truth [385 words]James McCluskeyDec 17, 2007 06:24116324
In FULL Support of James McCluskey for the truth- [181 words]YnnatchkahDec 20, 2007 22:15116324
Erdogan spoke truth about Islam - will our leaders, MSM and experts agree with him or not??? [143 words]JaladhiDec 22, 2007 18:14116324
Thank you Yannatchka, turnspeak [325 words]Petit MarteauDec 31, 2007 10:24116324
Answer to your question [168 words]Straigth_Talk_LuigiJun 6, 2008 01:51116324
interesting response [182 words]zis sumerJun 14, 2008 09:04116324
Moderate Islam? [212 words]Sahane S. MuftuogluOct 5, 2007 06:10110392
continuation of above [206 words]Sahane S. MuftuogluOct 5, 2007 19:27110392
In response to Mr.Muftuoglu [260 words]James McCluskeyDec 19, 2007 05:17110392
in response to Mr. McCluskey [87 words]SAHANE MUFTUOGLUDec 19, 2007 19:06110392
Well Said James [48 words]another infidelDec 20, 2007 02:42110392
Response to Mr.Muftuoglu:Talk is cheap. [296 words]James McCluskeyDec 22, 2007 03:56110392
SEX CONFUSION [40 words]Sahane MuftuogluDec 29, 2007 06:14110392
Apology for sex confusion---The Muslim Jesus [585 words]James McCluskey (Petit Marteau)Jan 1, 2008 09:07110392
To Sahane Muftuogñu [156 words]ChersonJun 5, 2008 11:55110392
turks and islam [224 words]G.VishvasJun 6, 2008 05:35110392
1THE GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIMES: MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK [149 words]Sahane S. MuftuogluJun 9, 2008 05:25110392
Read MICHAEL RUBIN [67 words]Sahane S. MuftuogluJun 9, 2008 05:47110392
1about turkish imperialism [219 words]G.VishvasJun 10, 2008 07:57110392
16The Greatest Leader Of All Times: MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK [432 words]Sahane MuftuogluJun 11, 2008 03:55110392
This is how indoctrinated persons speak and think [153 words]G.VishvasJun 12, 2008 06:17110392
Thank you Muftuoglu, [80 words]zisan sumerJun 14, 2008 08:39110392
James pls [94 words]zisan sumerJun 14, 2008 08:51110392
Thank you Zisan Sumer [54 words]Sahane MuftuogluJun 15, 2008 13:26110392
2There are many more like us [207 words]Alp AtikAug 4, 2008 09:59110392
to the ignorant man- James McCluskey [57 words]Ersin DemirbasAug 22, 2008 06:47110392
response to "turks and islam" [595 words]I.Jahir HussainJan 13, 2010 00:10110392
Fundamentalist, Moderate or just plain Muslim? [242 words]M. Nathalie SagbakSep 13, 2007 07:12108754
Verbal obfuscation [87 words]VijaySep 26, 2006 10:4157647

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2024 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum.Daniel J. Pipes

(The MEF is a publicly supported, nonprofit organization under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contributions are tax deductible to the full extent allowed by law. Tax-ID 23-774-9796, approved Apr. 27, 1998.

For more information, view our IRS letter of determination.)