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Protocols of the fraudstersReader comment on item: "Jewish" - Not the Same as "Pro-Israel" Submitted by Martin Horan (United Kingdom), Oct 29, 2009 at 21:03 Ivar's comments are slightly illogical. I do not hold that a whole nation should be killed for a few. But Ivar's illogical rant does not stop wiith that ad honinem accusation. I wonder if he has actually read the vile thing, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," which, at a cursory glance, can be seen by any logical person to be a glaring fraud. How could a group of Jews at that time plan to take over the world? Not only such a minority, but a persecuted and despised minority most of whom lived in abject poverty in the ghettos and shtetls of the Western world. The Jews were actually gated in the ghettos and banned by the Catholic church from even having trades. The Catholic church forced them to wear certain distinguishing clothing, and also made them were a yellow badge, later copied by Hitler. The papacy also forced the Jews into usury--by Law! Historical FACTs, Ivar. I know more about Jewish history and culture than probably all of my Jewish friends. Educated in the Catholic church, I know more of Catholic history than most Catholics I know, (I'm an MA in history). My point here: most Jews have never even heard of "The Protocals" anymore than most so-called Protestants know the Bible, or Catholics know of the Inquisition or of the Borgias or any real Catholic history--the latter not being taught it in their schools. I knew nothing of Catholic history until I left school.(Muslims, on the other hand know their Korans and Hadiths because it is a prerequisite to an education for all Muslims to learn both, especially the Koran which it is incumbent for them to know by heart. ) Zionism is purely Jewish, is it!? By that logic, Israelis are not Zionists, then, because most of them are agnostics and atheists, not Jews. When I became an agnostic, Israel was still the only place in the Middle-East where I could openly decry religion. Same thing when I became an atheist. When I became a Bible-believing Christian, it was the only place--still--in the Middle-East where I could openly practise what I believed. If Zionists rule the world, how come they cannot get their influence into the media to explain real historical facts--viz., that the Arabs sent a delegation to the UN as late as 1956 claiming that "Palestine" was a Jewish myth and that there was never any such people? How come the Zionists can't get the media to tell the world that "Palestinians" only started calling themselves by the name the indigenous Jews of the Middle East called themselves till 1948 after Israel defeated the Arabs in the Six-Day War in 1967? How come the Zionists cannot get the world's media to point out that after the British cut up the Middle East they handed over what had been Jewish lands to the Arabs? How come the Zionists, if they rule the world, cannot get the lists of psychopathic murders that happen daily to ordinary Israelis mentioned in the world's media? How come best-selling books by Christian writers like Christina Wertheim, Dave Hunt, John Haggie, Derek Prince, David Hathaway, James Prasch, Gary Kah, Jeffrey A. Baker, Alan Franklin (I could go on and on and on) and many of whom live in and/or have ministries in Israel, who witness these atrocities and expose them in their books, cannot get a mention of these things in the world's media? Ivar tries a bit of casuitry after claiming that the Zioinst rule the world if I can name any Muslims who do? Of course, the zillionaire Arabs, he must believe, are actually Jewish Zionists! The people who control the oil fields of the Middle East cannot be Arabs in his mind, judging by his ridiculous statement. These oil Zillionaires live in luxury undreamt of by most people while they keep their fellow Muslims and Arabs living in poverty. That, of course, means nothing to Ivar. Either Ivar does not know the difference between instances and evidence, evidence and facts, and facts and proof. Or he thinks his readers don't. If the latter's the case he has a very low opinion of other people's intelligence. So he is implying that Jews are "killing down" pregnant women and children. Says who? "Palestinians" who we can't even believe because they show they are outright liars and frauds who twist history to claim that they are "Palestinians." Arafat their leader wasn't even an Arab, he was an Egyptian. Hello! An Egyptian who was sent by Abdul Nasser to overthrow King Hussein of Jordan. That caused King Hussein to kick these Arabs our of Jordan and, having nowhere to go, Israel gave them Gaza--Gaza which could have fed all their people as it was the breadbasket of Israel itself. Instead, out of spite, these so-called Palestinians destroyed all the Kibutzes that Israelis had built by their own sweat and blood. And Gaza became a springboard of terror against unarmed civilians, Arabs and Jews. That's how Israel was rewarded for giving these people land. Interestingly, it is not Jewish journalists I have got this from (I was a journalist) but from Christian ones reporting in the Middle East who know far more than Ivar knows. All Ivar's arguments are blatant suppositions. And he doesn't know that they are or he would not be making them. Unlesss, he's just hoping the rest of us are to ignorant and stupid to see it. Then Ivar takes a high-handed approach as if he is above the rest of humanity. His rationale is all a bit woolly and sounds like he's been reading some New Age stuff, none of which can be argued from logic. Everyone is to drop their paradigms--this is from a person who has an anti-Semitic paradigm based on a bogus book, exposed as a fraud, not only by (non-Jewish) philosophers and historians but by Jesuits themselves. He has a paradigm that the Zionists rule the world which of itself shows that he doesn't feel he needs to change that paradigm. This dogmatist tells us we should get rid of "all this dogmatic stuff"--which is a bit like the pope saying we should get rid of Catholicsm--and that we should all widen our minds (his own being so wide to include everyone else--except Jews!) I would agree with him regarding religion, as did the first Christians--who were all Jewish! But religious people are not small groupsas Ivar maintains. If they were there would be less problems in the world. Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. 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