Occidental exceptionalism at its best

Submitted by Debanjan Banerjee (India), Nov 9, 2011 at 02:15

"Leaving aside historical examples I recall the center of Marseilles before its occupation and colonization by Maghreb Moslems and now. It's a no-go zone even for tourists."

My Answer --- > Well the presence of Muslims in France is a legacy of France's colonial past in North Africa. Another fact here is that , the French Muslims have contributed to the host culture. Have you forgotten French Football players in the French national team so quickly ? And also one should understand that these French Muslims are the consumers that the French economy needs to boost its growth. So from a Keynsian viewpoint , the presence of Muslims in France is a must and France should encourage more of its Muslims to educate themselves more.

Now you need to provide to me substantial proof to suggest that the center of Marseilles is a no-go-Zone for the tourists. As per as my knowledge the government of French Republic has not proclaimed anything as such as of now. So from where you get this ?

Regarding Romanian love for Trajan and his legions , let me tell you something , Arabs had something called Al-Andalus in Spain for close to 8 centuries (whose demise is probably one of the worst disasters to befall ever on the Muslims) and even now if you take a look at modern Spanish language you can find words like Admiral and Almirah. Now by your standards the Spanish should also be respectful of their Arab legacy , right ?

Modern Turkish language do have a lot of words with French and other European origin. For example , Mattmozel , Futograph , Televizyon etc etc. Does that mean the Turks should also be grateful to the French ?

"As to lessons for the posterity, they are obvious. Concentration of wealth in few hands and erosion of the state-building social class is the root cause of today's problem of the West (the US and Europe) and if this evil is compounded with mass barbarian (its today's counterpart is Moslem) immigration, then the downfall and civilizational regress are an inevitable and horrible result."

My Answer --- > Well the first part of your second statement smacks of pro-Soviet and communist attitudes and second part talks about lack of proper knowledge about immigration in USA and Europe. In the US , the majority of the immigrants are Catholic Mexicans and in Europe also in most cases the immigrants are from your native Eastern Europe. Muslims form only a very tiny minority in both Europe and the USA. So do you want to call all these people as barbarians ?

Regarding the regression of the West due to immigrations , can you specify some concrete examples to prove that Western culture is regressing due to immigration from Muslim countries ? Remember I need concrete examples and not drivel. Of course I do not know whether you would consider the actions of Anders Breivik in Norway as progression or not ? Also I would love to know yur views about iner-racial marraiges ?

See we have been just blaming each other on the point that we are not talking about how we can help each other. See although Muslims are a very tiny minority in Europe and more so in USA , I do believe that Muslims are playing a role to offer practical solutions to the great problems of their host countries. What do you think about that ? Do you have any practical solutions to the financial problems that both USA and Europe are facing now ?

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