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Submitted by David Reid Ross (United States), Apr 4, 2012 at 23:39

I'm sure Dr Heribert Busse wouldn't mind 500 grand: "The Destruction of the Temple and its Reconstruction in the Light of Muslim Exegesis of Sura 17:2-8", JSAI v. 20 (1996), 1-17. The reason the exegetes thought that passage was about the Temple is because... it's about the Temple. The whole sura is heavily Deuteronomic. There is an exact analogue with the "P" source in the Torah referring to the Temple when it says "Tabernacle".

There's also what Yehuda Nevo (hardly a Muslim) noted about the exegesis of sura 50, that the Trumpet would be sounded in Iliya. It's in the appendix to "Crossroads to Islam" (Amherst: Prometheus, 2003). You can split Busse's million with Nevo's posthumous editor Judith Koren.

So that's two places the Qur'an alludes to Jerusalem. Check and MATE.

To be blunt, I'm not amused by this $1m offer stunt. You're like the creationists who offer money to anyone who can "convince them" that "Darwinism is true". You're the judge and jury of your own case. This is a clear conflict of interest.

And no, I'm not a Muslim (lol). Muslims don't quote Nevo or the JSAI articles. They also don't see the Qur'an as I do, as a "doctrinal precipitate" of Near Eastern religion, at first applicable to Jerusalem - because that's what everyone ASSUMED was the holy land in the early 600s - and later shoehorned into the Hijaz.

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1You have poor arguments [39 words]mathieuJul 30, 2015 13:55224494
Another victim of Arabian imperialism [100 words]dhimmi no moreSep 18, 2015 12:54224494
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2Q17:1 is really about the exodus of the Jewish people from Egypt [1126 words]dhimmi no moreSep 21, 2013 11:00209185
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2Muslims taqiyya and more of the same [130 words]dhimmi no moreSep 28, 2013 11:27209185
Dhimmi from 'the mother's side of family' [78 words]PrashantSep 29, 2013 14:20209185
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1You are editing! Not a good start [77 words]dhimmi no moreSep 15, 2015 09:51209185
I didnt skew your reading but rather simplified [58 words]Shmuel FromanSep 18, 2015 12:34209185
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Q17:1 is about the exodus of the Jews [214 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2015 07:54209185
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1Lisan al-Arab and teaching one tablighee at a time [338 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2015 12:57209185
1Reality check [267 words]dhimmi no moreSep 22, 2015 17:47209185
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Abu-MaryamApr 11, 2013 13:12205090
I love this logic. [123 words]crankyjoeSep 17, 2013 22:15205090
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1Muslim logic at its best [511 words]dhimmi no moreSep 21, 2013 09:52205090
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4sura 17 [233 words]David Reid RossApr 4, 2012 23:39194980
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It's relevant [45 words]GGOct 31, 2014 20:43194941
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1Jerusalem in the Qu'ran??? [121 words]Susan H. SomervilleMar 7, 2012 21:25194126
2THE QUR'AN ... [64 words]Nicholas VossMar 7, 2012 20:51194125
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3News to me [32 words]PoquiMar 7, 2012 15:58194105
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2How can anyone take it seriously? [13 words]Joe SpivackMar 7, 2012 13:05194094
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12Historical Jihad [142 words]Dr. Richard BenkinMar 7, 2012 06:30194071
1Consequence of conquest [70 words]Yechiel ShlipshonMar 24, 2012 17:42194071
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1Fantasy as historical revisionism [30 words]gamaMay 8, 2012 03:39194071
1lets just make up stuff... [149 words]donvanMay 12, 2012 20:56194071
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1say again?? [22 words]donvanMay 16, 2012 21:35194071
1history.. [39 words]donvanMay 16, 2012 21:42194071
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1Muslims have existed ever since the creation of Adam [122 words]ZUMAMay 17, 2012 21:41194071
2Quran demands alternative way to treat non-muslims and that is doing good deeds & preaching to them [400 words]zumaMay 18, 2012 08:47194071
roots.... [108 words]donvanMay 20, 2012 16:28194071
1No Proof For Over 4000 Years of Muslim Ideology Prior to the Islamic Prophet [108 words]M. ToveyMay 21, 2012 15:14194071
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1Think [47 words]Guy MacherMay 31, 2012 18:02194071
Answer to Dr.Benkin [96 words]BarkaniMar 2, 2013 08:56194071
Still sounds like "convert or die" [23 words]GGOct 31, 2014 20:40194071

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