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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Aug 22, 2012 at 07:37

Amjad of Arabia wrote :

> Proponents of the "a plague on both their houses" approach never fail to grossly exaggerate the capabilities and influence of Al-Qaeda in Syria. Nothing in the past eighteen months points to Syrian society suddenly acquiring a taste for a life under a strict theocracy. Young people in Syria are not risking their lives to exchange the restrictions and tyranny of the Baathist regime for those of a religious one.<

And what is happening now in Libya with the shariah,the Moslem Brotherhood , the Sanussi order and al-Qaeda leading the once prosperous country in a forced march back to the poverty, obscurantism and terror of the Islamic Middle Ages ?

But you solemnly promise that if they get their chance in Syria, the "rebels" will not do what they have already done in Libya and what the so called "West" prefers not to care about ? Well, here "a Moslem's promise" is a phrase used as a synonym for "a lie" , you know.

> Barack Obama today finds himself in the same position as Roosevelt did in WW2, when the latter made the courageous decision to provide material aid to the Soviet Union and Nationalist Chinese forces to fight the great evils of Nazism and imperial Japan.<

That's nonsense! What countries did Syria attack and occupy ? What Pearl Harbor did Asssad's aviation bomb ? What genocide did he stage to justify equating him with Hitler while the "altruistic" US relies in ousting him on such genocide masters as the Turks ?

If history were to be used here, then the analogy would require the opposite conclusion to yours. It is Obama and his Turkish, Saudi and Qatari thugs that are playing little Hitlers-Pétains-Mussolinis-Pavelices-Quislings ... with this Middle Eastern version of Chekoslovakia or Poland. Syria is a dwarf fighting against an aggressive,nihilistic and insatiable giant allied with tyrannical wahhabi and sunni regimes of the Persian Gulf and Anatolia for its survival like Poland in 1939 fought against a similar coalition. Syria is not an aggressor - the US , Saudistan ,Qatar and Turkey are !

> While Obama dithers and engages in endless soul searching, the Russians and Iranians have no such qualms in providing unlimited aid to the Assad regime. Obama's weakness and indecisiveness has been noticed in Moscow and Tehran.<

That also comes from the realm of your faulty imagination or of your Islam-induced proclivity to deliberate lying. Even al-Jazeera - an obedient servant of the Qatari despot who is in turn a US chaindog had to admit some time ago :

"US President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorising US support for rebels seeking to depose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his government...

Obama's order, approved earlier this year and known as an intelligence "finding", broadly permits the CIA and other US agencies to provide aid that could help the rebels dislodge Assad from power.

The shift towards supporting Assad's armed opponents intensified following last month's failure of the UN Security Council to agree on tougher sanctions against the Damascus government.

The full extent of clandestine support that agencies like the CIA might be providing also is unclear. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor declined comment on the matter.

The White House has apparently stopped short of giving the rebels lethal weapons, even as some US allies have been doing just that.

Separately from the president's secret order, the Obama administration has stated publicly that it is providing some backing for Assad's opponents.

'Nerve centre'

A US government source acknowledged that under provisions of the presidential finding, the US was collaborating with a secret command centre operated by Turkey and its allies.

Last week, Reuters reported that, along with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Turkey had established a secret base near the Syrian border to help direct vital military and communications support to Assad's opponents.

This "nerve centre" is in Adana, a city in southern Turkey about 100km from the Syrian border, which is also home to Incirlik, a US airbase where US military and intelligence agencies maintain a substantial presence.

Turkish authorities are said to be increasingly involved in providing Syrian rebels with training and possibly equipment.

European government sources said wealthy families in Saudi Arabia and Qatar were providing significant financing to the rebels.

On Tuesday, reports emerged that the Free Syrian Army had obtained nearly two dozen surface-to-air missiles, weapons that could be used against Assad's helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft.

Syrian government armed forces have employed such air power more extensively in recent days.

NBC network said the shoulder-fired missiles, also known as MANPADs, had been delivered to the rebels via Turkey."

So much for Obama's " endless soul searching,... weakness and indecisiveness "!

>Besides, whatever follows Assad can't be anywhere nearly as bad as the state Pakistan is in, and yet the USA has benefited enormously from its alliance with that failed state. The assassination of Ben Laden wouldn't have been possible without it.<

It is like saying that Qaddafi's Libya was a more dangerous and inhospitable place than what we have now - a nasty sharia-based anarchical slaughterhouse and a terrorist training and brainwashing camp.

As to bin Laden, it is not tPakistan it is the US itself that is to blame for creating, rearing and enabling him in the first place. Who knows how many new bin Ladens are growing up and coming of age in Moslem terrorists' camps in Cyrenaica , Turkey or in Syria's fire? Just for your information, out of 19 9/11 terrorists 6 received training in the (Islamic) Republic of Turkey.

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2... history ... [189 words]Amjad of ArabiaAug 21, 2012 16:19198102
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3Wrong history as usual [930 words]IanusAug 22, 2012 07:37198102
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1Nothing to brag about , I am sure . [115 words]IanusSep 1, 2012 14:40198102
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