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Submitted by Aurscant Hughey-Bey (United States), Nov 10, 2016 at 14:57

Daniel Pipes,

You have a most interesting bibliography. I only hope I could avoid paying for the several I need to read. I have member of the Moorish Science Temple for over 30 years. The idea of plagiarism has emerged often. For the most part, members of said organization have fared well in beating back the accusation. I love it when the facts support the accusations.

First, what strikes me as odd points at the lack of charges by law enforcement ever having been placed against The Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America. That said, my answer in no way charges Levi Dowling with plagiarism. I never knew that Noble Drew of Ali claimed he authored the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ or the 18 missing years of Jesus the Christ. Until reading by the rebuttal by the Moorish Mahdi, I never contemplated that my peers considered that Levi Dowling plagiarized for Ali or Drew.

Personally, having read over the years some of the things supporting the theme that Drew Ali was a fraud, I disesteem your and their intelligence on the matter of the Founder of the Uniting of the Moorish Science Temple of America. I am lay, meaning I dispossess educated wit. Let me draw a picture of this "American prophet".

Did Drew marry and therefore molest children? Did he ever go to the White House to see [choose your year and your president]? Did he indeed attend the Pan-American Conference?

Personally, I think you have been hoodwinked. My excogitating relies on who you think you and the other authors are in terms of political status. You and others, but not, most likely see yourselves as White persons. I haven't checked in a while, but I think White persons are consecrated in the United States Constitution. Consider how you and those in your class grew up: already consecrated. You're White, you say. So, let us consider your time and other authors who've anatomized the Noble in the person of Timothy or Thomas Drew, an imposter and a plagiarist timeline.

Marcus Garvey hailed from the British Commonwealth. As did Duse Muhammed Ali of England or the UK. Incorporated, Garvey ex rel. the Universal Improvement Association (UNIA) recreated chapters throughout the United States but also beyond the boundaries of the United States of America. Ali segued. Wasn't there a CoIntelpro in play? President Coolidge attended the Sixth Annual Pan-American Conference at Havana in 1928, May, I believe. Now, if Drew (of) Ali never attended, then I am with you and others as to his supposed pedigree. I am the one who has been hoodwinked.

You all hinge on his calling Asiatic Blacks (sic) Moors. Here's what I believe. You all know who he is as the legal fiction Noble Drew Ali. What you also know is that all the Heads of the House of Ali as far as you all can see know not that legal fiction is. You know that in 1926 any public mention of Jesus the Christ came out of the Pope's, also called King James', Bible. You all know that Ali's audience knew nothing on the books about our relationship with the Old World. Because the Drew Ali I know in the person of Timothy or Thomas Drew unreeled imperfectly, I consecrate and canonize him. He did one thing that I know makes him my prophet in the literal meaning of the word because I grew up South (Michigan) raised by illiterate and alliterate parents and grandparents who hailed from the South. They think you and Jesus and anyone else of note who has pale, non-melanin skin is White. Because you and others think you are White and can sustain it because no negro knows to challenge you on it machinates Drew as a prophet sent from the consolidated ethers in yonder kingdom of the soul. What would you and others call a Word made flesh that can transform a consciousness from thinking you all are the gods and we all are just poor colored folks?

Let me state in closing that I disagree on one point the Moorish Mahdi made, that the only American prophet to have manifested on the North American landmass bears the name Noble Drew Ali. Again, I love your books. I must have The Rise and Fall of Elijah Muhammed. That raises a curious point. "Allah came in the person of Fard Muhammed and Elijah Muhammed is His Messenger." Question, is Jesus of European descent? If not, why has not someone deemed the images of his as that plagiarism? If Jesus is a Moabite and Moorish-Americans are the descendants of the Ancient Moabites whom inhabited the northwestern and southwestern shores of Africa, and the artificial person Noble Drew Ali has this portrait of himself incorporated as a lawful corporation, why haven't those assertions of truth redounded in counterposes?

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Speculation [811 words]Aurscant Hughey-BeyNov 10, 2016 14:57233941
How sad it is [94 words]Genie AliJun 13, 2016 03:12229976
1Pipes' response to the "rebuttal" was remarkably charitable [220 words]Shaykh Ratl N. Ro-ElMar 3, 2014 12:04213546
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thumbs up for your name [40 words]orange yonasonMar 18, 2014 21:45213546
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2the search for the ants goes on [299 words]Mohammed Wazir AhkspaidarMar 18, 2014 07:05213525
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4Victims of Muslim education [160 words]dhimmi no moreMar 9, 2014 10:26212840
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