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Reader comment on item: The Bible's Role in American Support for Israel
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Submitted by sara (United States), Sep 15, 2006 at 08:29

Bart:

I wonder what you mean when you use emotionally charged words and phrases like "don't get too cozy" and "irrational" and "amorphous." What do you intend to convey with your words: "The vast majority of Christians still have no love for Israel, nor do they see the modern nation as having any significance in their religion."

If you call the vast majority of Christians those who say they are Catholic, fine. I give you that. The vast majority of Catholics also never attend Mass, and even so, the Catholic Church does zero to promote the Bible's view of Israel. The Bible is clear: God is a Zionist. He loves Israel, and will not allow it to go astray forever. He chose it and will forever have Israel in the center of His will on earth.

I can almost hear you cringing when I speak about God......you liken all "fundamentalists," whether Muslim or Christian to be the same: irrational, and unreliable. If by fundamentalist, you mean one who sticks to the literal translation of his holy books, then to say Muslims and Christian fundamentalists are the "same" is disingenuous. The two have completely DIFFERENT holy books.It is THERE that we must look if we are going to lump the two in the same category, and honestly, you cannot equate the Koran with the Bible. The Koran takes both sides of every issue, so it can be denied or supported on any given topic. God is supposedly a Being of Truth, since He filled the known Universe with order and reality (Truth.) But God is not going to contradict Himself on every single topic, such as the Koran does.

If you want to see illogical thought, please look in just the first three pages of the Koran. I have read it more than most Muslims. I have edited my husband's books, and that packs a wallop of information on Islam...from the Koran itself. I DO know that Islam is opposed to both Christianity and Judaism, while Christianity and Judaism certainly appear to have come from the same God, the God of Israel. (Excuse me, I may have offended you here.)

There IS no common ground between Islam and any other faith...it is BY ITS OWN HOLY BOOKS, different than all other faiths, and in DIRECT OPPOSITION To all other faiths. Just open a Koran if you need proof.

You will find many Bible believing Christians right now, over in Israel, working quietly on projects that benefit only Israelis.....for no pay whatsoever. (All over the world, also.) I ask you to point out to me where you think there is need in the world, and I can show you Bible believing Christians are there trying to ameliorate the suffering. Yes, our tradition comes from Judaism, and many Jewish doctors are also over in hot spots, trying to ameliorate suffering, with no remuneration.

I highly admire this selfless service of humanity. But I know its origin is within Judaism.......I read the Bible, and know that the God of Israel asked the Jews not to fully reap their crops, but to leave a corner where the poor could come and glean. The God of Israel wants all believers to show love for our fellow men, especially for each other, but also to those who do not believe. Allah is not this God of Israel, and even Muslims will say the two are NOT the same god. If you really want to be rational, the name Allah came from a pagan moon-god, and does not refer to Y-WH.

This root of selfless sacrifice comes from the God of Israel, Who, whether or not you have the ability to perceive His activity, allows you to breathe another day.

Scientists today know that this Universe is so fine-tuned it could never have come about by chance. At least, the honest ones admit that.

This firm foundation (the Bible) does NOT permit the Christian to hate his enemies. It requires of them that they support and defend Israel. It requires of them that they repent of their OWN sins long before they can look at another's sins. But it also requires them to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the ill, and those in prison, and it requires them to PRAY unceasingly.

Islam falls way short of this, since it requires only moderate acknowledgment of the poor MUSLIM brother (no one else who is poor need be considered.) It copies and pastes from Judeo-Christian altruism, and requires only that sometimes the Muslim should take care of his fellow Muslim. Do we find any REAL charity among Muslims for their fellow humans? NO. There is a concept in Islam that anyone who is not Muslim is sub-human, and so for them to help humanity means to help the Umma, or Muslim brotherhood. It is the Judeo-Christian nations which go in after every world disaster, and aid people, regardless of their religion.

Is there such a concept as "charity" for non-Muslims in Islam? Please show me where this is in the Koran. There are only two types of people according to Islam...the House of Islam, and the House of War (the rest of us.) Muhammad himself doubted whether he heard from satan, or the angel gabriel. He never claimed to have heard from Allah.

I know pseudo-intellectuals (maybe not you, hopefully) that believe Jews fared better under Islam than under Christianity. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

I DO acknowledge horrendous crimes during the Inquisition, but you should remember that these followed the horrific slaughter by Muslims coming in to conquer all of Europe by Jihad. I do not at all say their response was correct, and may it never happen again. But these Inquisitors in Spain were following the edicts of the Spanish King, not the Bible. There is NO justification in the Bible for killing Jews, or Muslims, but there certainly is in the Koran for killing all of us.

I do not sit back anymore and allow pseudo-intellectuals to denigrate my faith, nor do I allow them the luxury of falsely compartmentalizing my faith with Islam.

The fruits of real Christianity have been love for one's fellow man. Even though the Catholic Church dominated for centuries, it also persecuted Bible-believing Christians. It is not beneficial for you to "warn" your fellow agnostic Jewish community not to get "too cozy" with the Christians who support you. Show some concern about the present and vociferous threats to wipe Israel off the map, and where those are coming from.

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