For our dear Moderate Msulim and what is really a moderate Muslim?And other sordid matters

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 10, 2007 at 07:40

There is so much nonsense in your post so here is a little gem:

>Those two (Myself and Susan) have called for a moderate voice for some time before I started posting

You are really a careless reader. I cannot speak for Susan but I never said that. In actual fact I do not believe that there is such a thing as "moderate Muslims" and for sure not the ones that come from Pakistan because they want to be more Arabs than the Arabs themselves. So do you want to be more Arab than than the Arabs?And remember that islam is the religion of the Arabs and you ain't one.

>Farag Foda

And yes Farag Foda was indeed a remarkable man that is the product of a very ancient and very sophisticated civilization and he lived in the most interesting city in the Middle East Cairo that is (and it is where I learned my Arabic). Egyptians have a long history of original thinkers and great people and I include here:

1. In the classical period: Akhnetoon,

2. In the late antique period: Origen, Clement, Plotinus, Philo, Arias (which I suspect is indeed the father of much of Islamic doctrines), Hypatia and many more that resided in the great city of Alexandria. And the most significant findings about early Semitic religions came from Egypt including the Library of Nag Hammadi and the Syriac papyri from Wadi al-Natrun.

3. In the Middle Ages until now we have the likes of Ibn Hisham (the author of the redaction of Ibn Ishaq's sira) , Suyuti (the real father of the Muslim masora) and like him or not Sayyid Qutb. Also Egypt produced great thinkers the likes of Muhammad Abduh and Tahtawi.

So Farag Foda had a long history behind him of one of the two nation states (the other is Iran) in the Middle east that have a proud sense of nationalism that was far beyond Arabian imperialism.

Another person that spoke about the very same topic is the Egyptian/Italian journalist Magdi 3Allam where the sense of realizing that Egyptains are not Arabs and that Copts are a very important part of Egypt and that they are indeed the ancestors of almost all muslims in Egypt. Compare this with the self hate that most Pakistanis like you have for their Hindu ancestors. Yes there are hate mongers among many Muslims in today's Egypt but I suspect that it is just a matter of time before such nonsense will just disappear as this is contrary to the values of this great civilization.

>banu Quraiza

Now your remarks betray your poor education. I'm just repeating myself here: The story of banu Quraiza is just a Qissa (story) that was made up to explain a Quranic allusion, nothing more and nothing less, and is clearly the so called topos of Ummam khaliya (nations destroyed) and a famous topos in Semitic religions. I suspect that it never happened and without the Qur'an we would not have had such a qissa.

Now I will be sarcastic: your Allah is merciful! Right? Well those Jews of Banu Quraiza did hide their treasures or did break some mithaq/dhimma/3ahd. Right? Well your Allah the so called merciful could have forgiven them end of story.

But do you think that because your Allah and his rasul would have lost 1/5 of the loot which is their share of the loot from infidels this is why they were killed?

What do you think ya ayuha al-faylasoof al-kabeer?

>3A'isha

Listen most ancient commentraies tell us that 3A'isha was 6 years old when she married Abul Qasim and he was 53 years old. And they had sex when she was 9 and he would have been 56 years old. Would you allow a 53 years old man who had another 22 wives and concubines (see Ali Dashti) to marry your 6 year old daughter?

But again this is all fantasy and what matters to me about 3A'isha (for a great reveiew of Muslim sources about 3A'isha see Henri Lammens) is that she is used as a first line of isand for much of the bogus hadith literature. And let us see again:

1. 3A'isha was 18 when Muhammad died in 632CE

2. She moved in with him and had sex when she was 9 years old and that brings us to 623CE

3. She married Abul Qasim in 620CE at the ripe age of 6.

Do you know what this means?

1. 3A'isha is no authority about anything in the Meccan period, after all what does a six year old child know?

2. 3A'isha is not an authority on the so called Hijra in 622CE as she was only 8 years old, and what does an 8 year old really know ? and to add insult to injury she was not living with Abul Qasim at the time

3. And what does even a 9 or ten or 11 or 12 even 13 year old child really know?

So much for the bogus hadith and for babbling 3A'isha as a source of the hadith. Oh I forgot, and so much for Ibn 3Abbas as a source of the bogus hadith too.

But like I say: You are out to defend the religion of the arabs and you ain't one. Shame.

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