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Reader comment on item: How the West Could Lose
Submitted by Major Dave (United States), May 23, 2007 at 17:38
THE WAR WE ARE FIGHTING
I am very disheartened listening to many of my fellow Americans talk about immigration issues, "closing our borders," "securing our homeland," "fighting them over there instead of over here" and the like. I have even heard otherwise logical Americans say that the "greatest threat to us as a nation is multiculturalism."
I believe that many Americans finally understand that we are engaged in an ideological war that happens to take on physical aspects; but I also sincerely believe that they fail to understand who our enemy is, what his intent and objectives are, and the nature of the current war that we are fighting, Therefore, I feel that now is the time for me to speak up.
The Enemy: I define our enemy as ultra-radical jihadis that have sworn to die in an attempt to kill Americans. I know them well. I have fought them in short-range firefights in Afghanistan; I have cleaned up the goo that they left when they blew themselves up in Iraq (not killing any Americans or destroying any American equipment under my watch, by the way). Had they spent more time in marksmanship and exercised better fire discipline, I would not be writing this today.
Similarly, I have seen and touched them, but not alive. Since my men and I did practice marksmanship and exercised fire discipline, we shot them first. I ask you to estimate how many enemy personnel are we facing? How many meet the criteria of swearing to sacrifice their lives to kill Americans? 3000? 30,000? I would give it a high estimate (it is hard to calculate accurately) and assume that there are 120,000 people in the world that are our declared and devout enemy. This is high, because if it were truly this number then we would have an almost one-to-one enemy to friendly ratio in Iraq and they would be much more effective. Or they would greatly outnumber us in Afghanistan if they concentrated their forces. Now, realize that 120,000 people is less than one one-hundredth of one percent of the world-wide Muslim population. Less than one one-hundredth of one percent.
The Enemy's Strategic Objectives: We usually think of objectives in warfare as being either terrain-centric or enemy-centric. Strategic objectives in the past were terrain-centric as in Operation Desert Storm: expel the Iraqis out of Kuwait, or enemy-centric as in Operation Iraqi Freedom-1: Chase the Republican Guard and the Ba'ath party wherever they may be. So I ask, is the objective of Usama bin'Ladin terrain-centric or enemy centric? Well, we assume that he wishes to re-create the Caliphate, so therefore his objectives may be terrain-centric; however, he has not conducted any operations focused on taking and holding terrain. He attacked us on 9-11 (and at the U.S.S. Cole, and at Kenya and Tanzinia, and other forgotten acts pre-9-11, as well as daily current attacks in Iraq) so we assume that he is waging an enemy-centric campaign.
But has he really focused any attacks that will topple the government of the United States or even offer any effective strike to destroy even one battalion or forward operating base? No. His objective is population-centric. He is fighting to gain the support of the worldwide Muslim population—the 99.99% that does not support currently support him—the 1.2Billion Muslims in the world that are not our enemy. This is his goal, at least for now. If he can gain their support, then he could effectively wage a terrain-centric war and re-create a Caliphate. If he rules a Caliphate that extends from Morrocco to Indonesia, then he could effectively wage an enemy-centric war and attempt to actually destroy the Western Civilization; but for now, he is waging a population-centric war and his objective is the support of the worldwide Muslim population.
The Enemy's Strategy: The enemy's strategy is simple: create a large rift between the Western Civilization and the worldwide Muslim population. The larger the rift created, the more likely it is that part or all of the worldwide Muslim population will support him. He creates this rift through a very carefully planned and waged information operations campaign. Realize that every action taken by al'Qaeda is taken to influence a target audience. IED's are not emplaced in an attempt to attrit the U.S. forces to the point of being ineffective; they are emplaced to influence a target audience—whether American voters, or local Muslims, or those deciding whether or not to choose his side. Even the attacks on 9-11 were waged not to topple our government or our financial institutions, they were waged to influence the world-wide Muslim population—to sway them to support him by showing his strength and audacity; and to help to widen the rift by causing strong anti-Muslim reaction.
An Effective Counter-Strategy: One would logically assume that if the Enemy's strategy is to gain the support of the worldwide Muslim population by creating an irreparable rift between Western Civilization and the worldwide Muslim population; then an effective counterstrategy would also be to gain the support of the worldwide Muslim population, erase any rift between Western Civilization and the worldwide Muslim population, and create a rift between the world-wide Muslim population and radical jihaddis. For many, however, logic seems to be thrown out along with strategy, policy, and tactics.
Aiding and abetting: In my view, any policy that helps create the rift between the West and the worldwide Muslim population helps the enemy to achieve his goals. Any statement made by any Western spokesman—uniformed, civilian, elected, corporate, media, NGO, etc.—that helps to create the rift between the Western Civilization and the worldwide Muslim population is tangibly lending assistance to terrorists by aiding his information operations campaign and is therefore treasonous. If you feel that there is something wrong with Islam and that Muslim people are not to be trusted—then you have already surrendered to the enemy; surrendered as much as if you were a coward on a battlefield. If you make Muslims in this country feel frightened or uncomfortable, then you are a terrorist—you are not only invoking terror in innocent people, but you are actually physically assisting the al'Qaeda to achieve its goals. The last thing that I will say is that in an Ideological War with physical aspects, if you give up your ideals in order to win a physical battle—then you have lost the ideological war.
The beauty of the United States of America—what causes me to swear to support and defend it at risk or even sacrifice of my own life—is that it is founded on a few solid ideals. Belief in these ideals is the only thing that it takes to be a true red-blooded American. These ideals include 10-each Amendments in the Bill of Rights including and especially Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion, Democracy and peaceful transition of government, justice for all regardless of race, culture, or religion, social mobility, capitalism, equality of opportunity for all, separation of powers, the ability to change the laws or even to amend the constitution, based upon the will of the people, and most importantly, a multi-cultural society where all can find a home in our great melting-pot. A man can never be a true "Frenchman", "German", "Italian", "Spaniard", "Russian", "Japanese", "Chinese", "Thai", "Korean", "Nigerian", "Ugandan", "Saudi", "Kuwaiti", etc. no matter how long ago their ancestors immigrated to one of those countries because of those countries' racial and cultural homogeny.
However, belief in the above listed ideals and a pledge of allegiance to the Flag and the Republic makes you a true, red-blooded American right from the get-go. Notice, that none of my listed ideals—the ones that I have sworn to fight and die for—include the "English Language" or the "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Suburban Culture" (note that I am white, and Anglo-Saxon, and Protestant, and suburban and am not using this in any derogatory fashion), or some "Judeo-Christian" heritage.
Good Tactics-Good Strategy
In 2003 I was considered to be a very successful company commander in Afghanistan because my company killed more al'Qaeda than anyone else in the theater. The truth of the matter was that I was a successful company commander because I convinced the Tribal Elders, the Regional Governor, and our Pakistani allies in the formerly lawless Bermel Valley to support us in the fight against al'Qaeda. I did this by showing respect for them, their culture, and their country. The tangible benefit that stemmed from this was our being able to successfully kill al'Qaeda without any loss of American life.
The most successful IED sensor that I found was an Afghani Tribal Elder that chose my side in the fight—knocking on my firebase door and volunteering to have one of his sons show me where the al'Qaeda had emplaced their IED. The greatest feeling in the world is sneaking up on the al'Qaeda hidden in an ambush position, killing some and chasing the others back into Pakistan (where my allies could catch them) and then finding where they had dug in and hidden their IED. This was only possible because I knew my enemy and his objective—and I denied that objective to him by showing respect and understanding for the population. The same strategy can and should be applied at a macro level. Believe me, it works. If the worldwide Muslim population is on our side; the al'Qaeda and other radical movements will be easy to destroy. We have to take the measures to get them on our side—they don't choose it automatically, and we cannot accuse the Muslim population of being enemy simply because we have failed in our objectives to earn their trust and respect.
What the Future Holds
I thank God that our President has not made the mistake of declaring war on the Muslim people or culture. The 120,000 or less enemy forces that we face are difficult enough to deal with. I cannot imagine facing 1.2 Billion enemy personnel—especially if we created them ourselves needlessly. Muslim culture is different from Western culture, but it is no worse. Nothing in Muslim culture differs from American ideals (10-each Amendments in the Bill of Rights, Democracy and peaceful transition of government, justice for all regardless of race, culture, or religion, social mobility, capitalism, equality of opportunity for all, separation of powers). Usama bin'Ladin is nothing but a rich spoiled-rotten criminal to whom money was not enough—he needed power to feed his insatiable greed, so he feeds it daily with the blood of devout young Muslims and innocent Muslims—including women and children. It should not be hard to drive a rift between this man with those ideals and the 1.2 Billion worldwide Muslims—especially when we come from a society that offers prosperity, justice, and freedom of (and respect for) religion and religious practices.
As I said earlier, if you are forced to compromise your ideals in order to win physical conflicts, then you are losing the ideological war. This goes for the enemy as well. Usama bin'Ladin has already compromised his ideals when his people used children in the back of cars to convince people in Shia neighborhoods to allow them to park—only to blow up the VBIEDs with the children inside. My only fear for the future is that our policy makers, strategists, and the average American citizen will fail to recognize type of war that we are fighting, and will therefore take action to help the enemy rather than hurt him. Only by recognizing the type of war that we are fighting can we effectively counter the enemy's strategic objectives before it is too late.
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dhimmi, READ YOUR OWN EVIDENCE FIRST [225 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 30, 2007 19:30 | 88065 | ||
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The poor Arabic translation of Picktall another wannabe Arab! [446 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 3, 2007 07:26 | 88065 | ||
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the 1960's [27 words] | moderate Muslim | Apr 8, 2007 22:24 | 88016 | ||
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noah [62 words] | moderate Muslim | Apr 10, 2007 21:48 | 88016 | ||
| Back to Morous (12 seconds on the shot clock) [3677 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 25, 2007 22:12 | 87974 | ||
Our dear M&M and cut and paste jobs Paki/Arabic and the bogus hadith! [522 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 27, 2007 20:23 | 87974 | ||
an addendum and my source for the hadith literary criticism [20 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 28, 2007 07:06 | 87974 | ||
My compliments to the sheik (morous 360 dunk in moderate's face, the crowd goes wild) [1370 words] | MOROUS | Mar 28, 2007 16:39 | 87974 | ||
To Moderate Muslim: [894 words] | Plato | Mar 30, 2007 04:22 | 87974 | ||
No, I respect many [89 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 30, 2007 19:25 | 87974 | ||
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numbers matter [54 words] | susan | Apr 1, 2007 10:13 | 87974 | ||
Here's your answer Plato [129 words] | moderate Muslim | Apr 2, 2007 19:09 | 87974 | ||
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M&M and David Chappelle exposed [147 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 25, 2007 09:14 | 87720 | ||
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ok? [44 words] | moderate Muslim- | Mar 27, 2007 22:00 | 87720 | ||
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The little olive institute [32 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 28, 2007 17:45 | 87720 | ||
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thanks.. [8 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 28, 2007 19:20 | 87720 | ||
Islamophobia, really? [298 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 29, 2007 07:22 | 87720 | ||
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I dont think you get it (Ynna (tchkah) [129 words] | moderate Muslim | Apr 2, 2007 19:23 | 87720 | ||
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skewed perception of Islamophobes [138 words] | Islamophobia no more | Apr 3, 2007 03:03 | 87720 | ||
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an Islamophobe [259 words] | Islamophobia no more | Apr 3, 2007 03:32 | 87720 | ||
cair wants sharia [39 words] | susan | Apr 3, 2007 03:39 | 87720 | ||
More diatribes from our dear INM aka M&M [103 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 3, 2007 18:43 | 87720 | ||
YOU DON'T GET THE POINT [19 words] | moderate Muslim | Apr 3, 2007 20:27 | 87720 | ||
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no matter how you turn it [67 words] | susan | Apr 4, 2007 14:51 | 87720 | ||
nobody is irrationally vilifying islam [234 words] | susan | Apr 4, 2007 15:08 | 87720 | ||
sharia allows slavery [18 words] | susan | Apr 4, 2007 17:39 | 87720 | ||
Dropping names and Si, comprende mucho! [111 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 4, 2007 17:48 | 87720 | ||
fallacy of bias history-reading [108 words] | Islamophobia no more | Apr 5, 2007 01:59 | 87720 | ||
islamophobia, the stupidest word ever invented [124 words] | susan | Apr 5, 2007 16:30 | 87720 | ||
Cair and other people [171 words] | moderate Muslim | Apr 5, 2007 22:15 | 87720 | ||
CAIR [374 words] | Noah Wilk | Apr 6, 2007 14:55 | 87720 | ||
Why then do you support it? [290 words] | Noah Wilk | Apr 6, 2007 15:03 | 87720 | ||
cair = sharia = stone age [70 words] | susan | Apr 6, 2007 15:19 | 87720 | ||
Noah [124 words] | moderate Muslim | Apr 6, 2007 23:40 | 87720 | ||
M&M CAIR (big time LOL) and his flawed logic! [344 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 7, 2007 08:37 | 87720 | ||
Yes, Moderate Muslim, you ARE responsible! [516 words] | Noah Wilk | Apr 7, 2007 16:45 | 87720 | ||
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al-Shari3a [10 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 7, 2007 18:39 | 87720 | ||
CAIR and mockery [26 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 8, 2007 11:40 | 87720 | ||
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MM [230 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 21, 2007 18:01 | 87302 | ||
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"Muslim debate schemes"! part deux [452 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 24, 2007 14:10 | 87302 | ||
Dhimmi No More - defenders of the faith have left town!!! [40 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 26, 2007 16:56 | 87302 | ||
| Your answer Plato (which is a really bad name for you, because it dishonores someone who actually thought [169 words] | Moderate Muslim | Mar 20, 2007 19:18 | 87298 | ||
Was the post for me? [45 words] | Plato | Mar 21, 2007 08:30 | 87298 | ||
Try paying attention, Moderate Muslim [570 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 21, 2007 17:55 | 87298 | ||
blatantly clear? LOL [178 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 21, 2007 19:50 | 87298 | ||
To MM: Would Mohammed be a good name for me? [130 words] | Plato | Mar 22, 2007 14:00 | 87298 | ||
you guys hate the truth, dontcha [23 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 22, 2007 17:10 | 87298 | ||
clarification [36 words] | Moderate Muslim | Mar 22, 2007 17:12 | 87298 | ||
No, Im not beyond help, although I dont need much [73 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 22, 2007 17:15 | 87298 | ||
Free will in islam? LOL [379 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 24, 2007 08:15 | 87298 | ||
you like lies don'tcha? [148 words] | susan | Mar 25, 2007 10:21 | 87298 | ||
| To Syed [17 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 16, 2007 19:30 | 86570 | ||
LOL syed is asking for caliphate [8 words] | susan | Mar 18, 2007 10:16 | 86570 | ||
Syed? LOL He has no credibility! [172 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 18, 2007 12:50 | 86570 | ||
Syeds are not Iranians?? [83 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 19, 2007 17:18 | 86570 | ||
What? [35 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 19, 2007 19:24 | 86570 | ||
For our dear M&M and islam [73 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 20, 2007 17:48 | 86570 | ||
To Moderate Muslim: Spreading Islam by avoiding unpleasant facts [389 words] | Plato | Mar 22, 2007 13:35 | 86570 | ||
Sure, Syed's the perfect choice [230 words] | Jeff | Mar 27, 2007 18:23 | 86570 | ||
i wasnt..... [77 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 27, 2007 22:02 | 86570 | ||
| THE JOKE'S ON YOU (DHIMMI) [32 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 16, 2007 19:27 | 86568 | ||
And your point is? [244 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 18, 2007 12:40 | 86568 | ||
You dont know me, you dont even care [110 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 19, 2007 19:36 | 86568 | ||
| 1 | avoiding the sex slaves matter [52 words] | susan | Mar 20, 2007 16:11 | 86568 | |
| Uno Questiono por legion of doom [36 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 16, 2007 19:25 | 86566 | ||
To Moderate Muslim: Global warming a belief? [63 words] | Plato | Mar 17, 2007 23:11 | 86566 | ||
The Official Stance of the Legion of Doom On Global Warming [59 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 18, 2007 10:17 | 86566 | ||
youre just not answering [43 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 19, 2007 19:29 | 86566 | ||
heheh, thanks plato [25 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 19, 2007 19:30 | 86566 | ||
You were indeed given an answer [209 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 20, 2007 15:29 | 86566 | ||
They're not scared [107 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 20, 2007 15:36 | 86566 | ||
sex slaves conspiracy [101 words] | susan | Mar 20, 2007 16:14 | 86566 | ||
?? [72 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 22, 2007 17:19 | 86566 | ||
Yes, you are on trial [223 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 23, 2007 18:57 | 86566 | ||
islam is not on trial, it's already convicted [14 words] | susan | Mar 25, 2007 10:26 | 86566 | ||
heh please [45 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 26, 2007 19:16 | 86566 | ||
Spain and Arabian imperialism and justifying the absurd [69 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 27, 2007 20:48 | 86566 | ||
spain? islam flourished? [2978 words] | susan | Mar 28, 2007 02:57 | 86566 | ||
| Islam is peace [103 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 14, 2007 21:36 | 86334 | ||
disproved [331 words] | susan | Mar 15, 2007 16:24 | 86334 | ||
Islam and violence and silence [116 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 18, 2007 17:34 | 86334 | ||
uh NO [7 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 19, 2007 19:25 | 86334 | ||
Our dear M&M has never been to a madrassa! [81 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 24, 2007 14:22 | 86334 | ||
| ALARMING NEWS - POLYGAMOUS MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS ARE WELCOME IN US WITH UP TO FOUR WIVES [211 words] | Sofa Sogood | Mar 14, 2007 14:45 | 86290 | ||
| A Peaceful Muslim Country (oh my) [259 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 11, 2007 21:21 | 85929 | ||
...muslim [492 words] | susan | Mar 12, 2007 18:30 | 85929 | ||
very poor example [255 words] | susan | Mar 12, 2007 18:40 | 85929 | ||
Dave Chapelle? and who the heck is he? And why should we like him or hate him for this matter [235 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 12, 2007 19:39 | 85929 | ||
MALAYSIA A PEACEFUL MUSLIM COUNTRY???LOL [110 words] | MOROUS | Mar 13, 2007 16:53 | 85929 | ||
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East [142 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 13, 2007 19:13 | 85929 | ||
Talking points, pillars, quibbles, quotes, examples, and some words of wisdom from the kennedys. [972 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 13, 2007 19:32 | 85929 | ||
MY EMAILS? [13 words] | muslim | Mar 13, 2007 21:23 | 85929 | ||
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East - Pt. 2 [133 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 14, 2007 16:27 | 85929 | ||
The good ole pillars of islam! [84 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 14, 2007 16:43 | 85929 | ||
kennedy quote? [659 words] | susan | Mar 14, 2007 16:44 | 85929 | ||
why does everyone not get it [32 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 14, 2007 19:40 | 85929 | ||
huh?? [339 words] | morous | Mar 15, 2007 12:22 | 85929 | ||
Our dear M&M and you ain't Muqatil [61 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 15, 2007 20:04 | 85929 | ||
To Morous-Clarify a few things [291 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 15, 2007 21:25 | 85929 | ||
your clarification Moderate [664 words] | Morous | Mar 17, 2007 11:46 | 85929 | ||
one clarification: malaysia has got sharia law [41 words] | susan | Mar 18, 2007 10:19 | 85929 | ||
literal interpretation [68 words] | susan | Mar 18, 2007 10:22 | 85929 | ||
Reply to Reply : morous [116 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 18, 2007 17:15 | 85929 | ||
women as humans? [31 words] | susan | Mar 20, 2007 04:51 | 85929 | ||
It's Back in your court MODERATE [616 words] | Morous | Mar 20, 2007 13:25 | 85929 | ||
Malaysia? [171 words] | surj | Apr 20, 2007 22:34 | 85929 | ||
| More Answers (Aisha) (ra) [2787 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 11, 2007 21:06 | 85919 | ||
aisha the child [103 words] | susan | Mar 12, 2007 18:33 | 85919 | ||
To Moderate Muslim: Hiding the shame of Aisha's age and a Maulana abrogates 9:29 [989 words] | Plato | Mar 13, 2007 01:13 | 85919 | ||
3A'isha and real history! and playing with dolls! [648 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 13, 2007 07:28 | 85919 | ||
Lies will not change historical age of Aisha at the time of her marriage [157 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 20, 2007 15:43 | 85919 | ||
| The Ultimate Post- No Hiding, No Crying, Just Answers [8353 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 8, 2007 22:13 | 85330 | ||
I'm cherry picking Moderate Muslim's huge post [2178 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 9, 2007 04:14 | 85330 | ||
For our dear M&M and his bogus command of Islamic theology [454 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 9, 2007 18:00 | 85330 | ||
To Moderate Muslim: Ethical basis of Islam and the thrashing of women by men [2001 words] | Plato | Mar 10, 2007 07:30 | 85330 | ||
For our dear Moderate Msulim and what is really a moderate Muslim?And other sordid matters [885 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 10, 2007 07:40 | 85330 | ||
More Answers-To Dhimmi [293 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 10, 2007 13:20 | 85330 | ||
Our dear M&M and he is really a "bait"? and Jihad or holy war revisited part deux [653 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 10, 2007 14:15 | 85330 | ||
moderate [592 words] | susan | Mar 10, 2007 15:01 | 85330 | ||
For our dear M&M and Q2:216 ...part one! [832 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 11, 2007 09:28 | 85330 | ||
dhimmi ... [26 words] | susan | Mar 11, 2007 10:39 | 85330 | ||
For our dear M&M and Q9:4 part deux! [541 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 11, 2007 14:41 | 85330 | ||
moderate Muslim [61 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 11, 2007 17:42 | 85330 | ||
Condemnable Offenses. Controlling Men [91 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 11, 2007 17:45 | 85330 | ||
you have no idea what a race is again [13 words] | susan | Mar 12, 2007 03:38 | 85330 | ||
M&M and more fantasy [262 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 12, 2007 07:52 | 85330 | ||
To Moderate Muslim: Fight to make your neighbours submit to Allah [179 words] | Plato | Mar 12, 2007 10:15 | 85330 | ||
response to moderate muslim [555 words] | morous | Mar 12, 2007 16:25 | 85330 | ||
invented by modern people? [111 words] | susan | Mar 12, 2007 18:30 | 85330 | ||
yeah, so? [97 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 12, 2007 19:24 | 85330 | ||
To Moderate Muslim: On rape and chopping off hands [583 words] | Plato | Mar 12, 2007 23:18 | 85330 | ||
Uh no [17 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 13, 2007 19:33 | 85330 | ||
the joke is on you morous [36 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 13, 2007 19:36 | 85330 | ||
Hypocritical Muslim [56 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 13, 2007 20:43 | 85330 | ||
origins [183 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 13, 2007 21:58 | 85330 | ||
Racism! Really? [147 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 14, 2007 12:31 | 85330 | ||
i am 100% correct [57 words] | susan | Mar 14, 2007 16:22 | 85330 | ||
More evidence [47 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 14, 2007 16:56 | 85330 | ||
Hypocrisy - thy name is.... [46 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 14, 2007 17:31 | 85330 | ||
| 1 | Jesus is god? [26 words] | moderate muslim | Mar 14, 2007 19:31 | 85330 | |
not quite making sense - at all [129 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 14, 2007 19:37 | 85330 | ||
lies [30 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 14, 2007 19:38 | 85330 | ||
His words? [226 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 15, 2007 07:39 | 85330 | ||
Muslims suppress free debate on anti Semitism at Leeds University, UK [163 words] | Delboy | Mar 15, 2007 09:49 | 85330 | ||
MM [135 words] | susan | Mar 15, 2007 16:14 | 85330 | ||
| 2 | My dear M&M and i'm glad that you asked and the Qur'an really says that Jesus is God! [93 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 15, 2007 19:59 | 85330 | |
Uh what? [38 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 16, 2007 19:21 | 85330 | ||
MM - Read Dhimmi No More's(who knows Arabic) posts to understand Q9:4 [92 words] | Jaladhi | Mar 19, 2007 17:48 | 85330 | ||
Respond to what? [58 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 19, 2007 20:14 | 85330 | ||
For our dear M&M and the Qur'an really says that jesus is God and the bogus tawheed [140 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 20, 2007 07:51 | 85330 | ||
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE KORAN SAYS [22 words] | MOROUS | Mar 20, 2007 14:02 | 85330 | ||
The fundamentally faulty logic of the person called dhimmi no more [201 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 20, 2007 19:01 | 85330 | ||
Astaghfirullah is M&M's lame answer [239 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 23, 2007 07:28 | 85330 | ||
Flat? Hardly [31 words] | Moderate Muslim | Mar 25, 2007 21:53 | 85330 | ||
ONCE AGAIN MODERATE, THE KORAN CONTRADICTS YOU [172 words] | MOROUS | Mar 28, 2007 17:08 | 85330 | ||
Hand Chopping and Adultery [74 words] | Mukhtar Ahmed Kashif | Jul 30, 2009 12:47 | 85330 | ||
| Why I am proud to be a member of the Legion of Doom! [354 words] | Noah Wilk | Mar 8, 2007 21:09 | 85321 | ||
| The wake up call [15 words] | Moderate Muslim | Feb 26, 2007 16:25 | 79077 | ||
You're talking, but you're not saying anything, Moderate Muslim [499 words] | Noah Wilk | Feb 26, 2007 20:35 | 79077 | ||
PEACEFUL NATION? YEAH, COMPARED TO THE HUNS [53 words] | Moderate Muslim | Feb 28, 2007 07:32 | 79077 | ||
homework for moderate muslim [155 words] | susan | Feb 28, 2007 15:34 | 79077 | ||
MM, you very well described actions of Muslims [98 words] | Jaladhi | Feb 28, 2007 17:42 | 79077 | ||
mob muslim contradiction [97 words] | susan | Feb 28, 2007 18:10 | 79077 | ||
to mod.muslim [145 words] | Anna | Feb 28, 2007 19:34 | 79077 | ||
Susan [507 words] | Moderate Muslim | Feb 28, 2007 20:34 | 79077 | ||
For our dear M&M and more fantasy [371 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 1, 2007 06:02 | 79077 | ||
peace.. [125 words] | donvan | Mar 1, 2007 09:18 | 79077 | ||
YES [87 words] | Moderate Muslim | Mar 1, 2007 19:50 | 79077 | ||
Strive to forgive what? [15 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 2, 2007 17:22 | 79077 | ||
don't believe you [65 words] | susan | Mar 3, 2007 12:48 | 79077 | ||
Response to Susan [153 words] | moderate Muslim | Mar 5, 2007 20:07 | 79077 | ||
educated fanatics.. [14 words] | donvan | Mar 6, 2007 15:00 | 79077 |