For our dear M&M and Q2:216 ...part one!

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 11, 2007 at 09:28

Our dear M&M who is either ignorant of Islamic exegesis of Q2:216 or he is in denial or he is beyond help so which one is it our dear M&M?

You wrote

>So Dhimmi used al-baqarah (sic) 216 and al-tawbah (sic) 4 as evidence

No I did not. I'm only telling you what the islamic tradition and the likes of Malik and Muqatil tell us and you ain't Malik or Muqatil for this matter. But again this comment betrays your rather poor education so you have the audacity to debate a language that you do not know and islamic theology that you either do not know or you really know, because I'm not telling you anything here that is not known already, but you are hoping that we do not know or you are hoping that you can put a positive spin on the absurd.

So let me repeat it one more time and feel free to prove me wrong: Jiahd or al-harb al-muqadassa in Islam is based on two verses:

1. Ayat al-harb or the verse or war or Q2:216. And because you know no Arabic the root HRB and the word harb is war and the word yuharib means he fights _a war_. Qital means fighting and yuqatil means he fights -a ma3raka or a harb_.

2. Ayat al-sayf or the sword verse or Q9:4

And I add Q9:29 and this is indeed what jiahd or holy war or harb muqadassa is all about

Now the fun starts so let me give you a linear translation of the Q2:216 and for those of you interested in literature this aya is a typical Quranic pericope and a defined recension

Kutiba or written

3alikum or upon you

al-qital or the fighting

wa huwa and he (fighting)

kuriha disliked

lakum or to you

wa 3asaa (notice alif maksura) and hope/wish

ana or that

takrahu or hate

shay'aan or something

wahuwa and he is

khayran or blessing

lakum or for you

wa 3asa ann tahibuu or you may love

shay'aan or something

wahuwa and he is

shar or bad

lakum or for you

wa allahu and Allah

ya3lam he knows

wa antum or and you

lata3lamoon or and you do not know

This is what ayat al-harb is really saying

"Written upon you (this is a Allah's command) the fighting (see Malik and Muqatil or jihad or holy war aka harb muqadassa) and it (fighting) is disliked by you and you may hate something (fighting) but it is a blessing for you and you may like something and it is bad for you Allah knows and you do not know."

This is what your Allah is saying:

1. Muslims must fight (and this is fight is the holy war or harb muqadassa) period.

2. There is nothing in this aya about qatilo al-ladhina yahtalu baladakum or fight only in the case of you being attacked as in your bogus claim

But what is most surprising how come you are not aware of this ayat al-harb as the basis of jihad or holy war?

Now let us go through your gem

>Q2:216 it is merely saying this that fighting is prescribed for you

Very true holy war that is.

>and it is wrong to hide away from the battle instead of fighting in the name of Allah

Bogus. Where does it say that? Let me help: You are making things up and where do you see the word: al-ma3raka or the battle?

>it does not talk about attacking

Bogus again. al-harb al-muqadassa becomes defined as: attacking or qital/ghazw inhabitants of the lands of non Muslims and for this see malik and Muqatil. It is not me who is saying this it is malik and muqatil and you ain't malik or muqatil and you ain't an Arab either.

>it is merely to denounce cowardice

Bogus. Where does it say in this aya anthing about cowardice? let me help you: it does not say.

>this is the way scholars see it

Could you name one or two names? Let me guess they must be Pakis!

>also it condemns violence like terrorism

Bogus again. Where does it say anything in this aya about violence? Let me help you: it does not.

And where do you see the word irhab (do not panic as you know no Arabic) or terrorism in this aya? let me help you: it does not.

>if you are a brawler of an agressive eperson this is selfishness and desreves the hightest censure so this work in favor of Islam

Bogus again. There is nothing in this aya about such nonsense and if you are correct then we all have to get rid of courts of law and carry guns and fight is this right?Is this right?

So much for "so this works if favor of Islam"

>Punk.

Yes our dear M&M

>I dont think you can read Arabic

I will leave this little gem for the readers to judge you.

Stay tuned for more

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