sTS - off in the clouds again

Submitted by The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Jun 3, 2008 at 03:10

sTS - here you go again.

re your statements in http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/130652

7. Mohammad visited Jerusalem - don't you read history, or you take what you want from it.

You put forward absolutely easily disprovable statements as 'facts' - and offer no proof at all to back them up. Nothing in history, nothing in archaeology, nothing in science - just fables from your inherited belief system. This unquestioning attitude is what has led to believe all the stuff you do - but other people won't buy it.

Every one of the statements in your post can be easily disproved.

However the one that takes the cake is point 7

you state: "7. Mohammad visited Jerusalem - don't you read history, or you take what you want from it."

Which history haven't we read? I've looked and looked but can't find ANY historical evidence for this.

Hysterical evidence , yes - plenty of that. But no actual historical evidence.

Nothing from the jewish or Christian scribes who lived in Jerusalem at that time. Or do you mean Mohammed's night to a far off place (RUMOUURED to be Jerusalem) on a winged flying white donkey with the 'face of a woman' (the BURAK)

Those animals seem to have died out very suddenly after this event - so we can't even tell if they could fly that far in one night. If we could find it - then surely we might consider that indeed, the city visited was Jerusalem.

As for other accounts of Mohammed's Jerusalem visit to jerusalem which did not dismiss it outright as pure fantasy - all I could find was

Isra and Mi'raj

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A 16th century Persian miniature painting celebrating Muhammad's ascent into the Heavens, a journey known as the Miraj. Muhammad's face is veiled, a common practice in Islamic art.

In Islamic tradition, the Isra and Mi'raj (Arabic: الإسراء والمعراج‎, al-'Isrā' wal-Mi‘rāğ) are the two parts of a journey that Muhammad took in one night, in 621 AD (1 BH).^[1] Many Muslims consider it a physical journey but some Islamic scholars consider it a dream.^[2] A brief sketch of the story is in verses 1 and 60 of one of the Qur'an chapters (#17: sura al isra), and other details were filled in from the supplemental writings, the hadith.

The Isra begins with Muhammad resting in the Kaaba in Mecca, when the archangel Gabriel comes to him, and brings him the winged steed Buraq, who carries Muhammad to the "farthest mosque". The location of this mosque was not explicitly stated in the Qur'an, but is traditionally considered to be the Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) in Jerusalem. There, Muhammad alights, tethers Buraq, and leads other prophets in prayer. He then gets back on Buraq, and in the second part of the journey, the Mi'raj, is taken to the heavens, where he tours the circles of heaven, and speaks with the earlier prophets, and with Allah. Allah tells him to enjoin the Muslims to pray fifty times a day; however, Moses tells Muhammad that they would never do it, and urges Muhammad to go back several times and ask for a reduction, until finally it is reduced to five times a day.

After Muhammad returned to Earth and tells his story in Mecca, the unbelieving townspeople regard it as absurd. Some go to Muhammad's companion Abu Bakr and tell him, "Look at what your companion is saying. He says he went to Jerusalem and came back in one night." Abu Bakr in reply, tells them, "If he said that, then he is truthful. I believe him concerning the news of the heavens — that an angel descends to him from the heavens. How could I not believe he went to Jerusalem and came back in a short period of time — when these are on earth?" It was for this that Abu Bakr is said to have received his famous title "Us-Siddiq", The Truthful.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-jerusalem.htm

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