Islam and its origin

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 11, 2008 at 07:16

Lactantius wrote

>Thank you for doing this I'm really impressed at you digging this up,

Any time. Just let me know and do not forget that most Muslims that post in this blog are non Arabs and most of them are Pakistanis like samer and their command of Arabic is big zero. As for real Arabs: I find it very strange that their command of the Arabic grammar is really poor. Many fo them do not use or even know how to use a dictionary. It is sad indeed.

My only advice to you is to get a good dictionary like Hans Wehr, then learn how the root system works (and it is very easy) and this will allow you to learn how to use an Arabic dictionary. Then you can do your own linear translation and et voila you will have the meaning the sentence. And yes it is not difficult and this is indeed the genius of the garmmar of the semitic languages

>if only it were possible to do some archeological digging in Saudi Arabia, no wonder the Saudi's won't allow it.

Bad news: the chances are there is nothing there.

I do not believe that Islam originated in the Hijaz. I very much believe that Wansbrough was correct and that that Islam originated in the civilized Middle East (Mesopotamia and Iran) in the late antique period.

The only sources we have about the origin of Islam from Muslims are literary sources written by non-Arabs in distant Mesopotamia in the 3rd century of islam. There are no coins, papyri, epigraphy or anyhting that is extant and can tell us about this religion. Nothing. Not a thing.

And to add insult to injury: Just imagine when the British invaded India and let us say the Brits had no written sources of their history and let us say that they did not have books of English grammar and let us say that Queen Victoria was the Queen of Englad at the time. Now imagine the educated Brahman elite of India composing the history of Englad and examining the grammar of the English language and some Indian writing the biography of Queen Victoria.

I'm sure you will agree with me we will have a very different English language, bogus history of England and bogus biopgraphy of Queen Victoria and this is indeed what happened here with the Arabs and with the arabic language and with the biography of Muhammad and it is all un-historical. And it indeed makes you wonder if islam is really from the Hijaz then how come the faithful did not leave some trails behind them looking for anything to take with them from the land of Abul Qasim (aka Muhammad) as other faithful did with oracles in the late antique period. And why did the mother of Harun al-Rashid traveled to al-Hijaz and declared that she found the birth place of Abul Qasim (some 250 years after the death of Muhammad). Do you know what this means? It means that those that lived in Mecca had no clue and that she was making things up.

What is most amazing is that the Rabbinical literary sources and the Syriac language and Greek literary sources are silent about Jewish or Christian communities in the Hijaz and the silence here is significant.

And no, there were no Wahhabis back then to destroy history and historical evidence and we know that early islam was very heterodox and was far from being orthodox.

No we will never find anything in the Hijaz

>With kind regards and best wishes

Any time

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