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Moses and Jesus were never, will never be and WOULD never be Muslims

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Submitted by The Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Aug 30, 2008 at 23:54

Ahmad writes:

"....And Jesus will himself testify that he is a Muslim and that his message and that of Moses and Mohammad were all the same."

Ahmad - you've spouted some preposterous statements on this forum before , but this one is really up there. This statement of yours is called 'wishful thinking'. You'd like something to be true that clearly is not. It's a common trait of fantasy-prone individuals.

I say Jesus, if he were around would quite categorically state that he is not a follower of Mohammed. How could he ever have been since he lived 1400 years prior to Mo's birth? Similarly with Moses.

If you asked a sane and unbiased person who'd never heard of any philosophical traditions before - and offered the teachings of Christ or the teachings of Mohammed - it's a no-brainer to guess which one would be dismissed as NOT being a viable philosophy by which to lead one's life. Especially if you gave that person more detailed facts on the personal lives and achievements of both figures.

Let's see: Mo - personally responsible for the slaughter of hundreds of people, cutting off their lims and piercing their eyes, had more than a dozen wives, had and acted on pedophilic tendencies, allowed followers to kill and maim and to loot and pillage and rape captive women, NO miracles, killed people who thought he and his followers were a bad joke etc etc It's almost an unending story.

Jesus Christ on the other hand - well, read the Bible if you're allowed to (do not - repeat NOT rely on the garbage of 'Issa' - 'Issa' didn't exist - that's a tale added in by the people who concocted the Koran).

Christ realised people were disconnected from themselves and taught people to find God (or higher human consciousness) within themselves at the core of their being and stressed sacrifice and compassion for humanity.

If you look into it - Christ said many amazing and at first confounding statements - such as 'seek ye first the Kingdom of heaven' . And when asked where was heaven - he says 'the Kingdom of heaven is within you'. Notice it's not the rather carnal Muslim version in the sky with your green cushions, inexhaustible wine supply and seventy two soon to be deflowered virgins.

Other great spiritual masters such as Buddha all pointed in the same direction - inward - toward self-realisation, the inner connection to the Soul or Real Self (whatever you want to term it).

This is something that is sadly lacking in rather primitive Islamic teachings where the focus is on an imagination of an external 'Allah' and arcane rituals such as the quaint praying to Mecca five times a day, slaughtering of young animals at various times, the necessity of promoting itself as a viable and reasonable belief system at all costs, the punishment (even to death) of people who refuse to continue to believe in it, amputating the limbs of people for minor crimes, poor treatment of women, the unspoken supremacy of the quite clearly not supreme arab culture and language.

. The closest thing to self-realsiation that Islam had were the Sufi's who were and are persecuted by the great unwashed bulk of the Islamic world.
As a current-day Sufi says - 'if I can't have a God I can feel - what's the use of having one at all?'

".................I am throwing the gauntlet down! ......."

Noone's going to pick it up - it's not really a challenge. People are on very many different levels of personal evolution in this world - it really is like a school. Some people are in kindergarten and are happy with their fairytales and crayons and colouring in. They'll say it's the best thing and everyone should be dong it. But older children in senior high doing advanced calculus, history of art and electronics don't have the heart or need to burst the younger kids' bubble. That is - until the young kids start screaming and jumping up and down and trashing the classrooms - getting on the nerves of the older ones who are seriosuly interested in appreciating and studying life and what goes on around them. The kindergartners are saying - 'what we want is to take over the whole school give everyone crayons so everyone must listen to fairytales and do colouring-in - do this or we'll wreck the school !!'.

"...........................If Jesus comes back and says worship the Cross, I will become a Christian and renounce Islam."

Apart from the fact that it will be a bit klate for you by that stage, you have a very, very strange idea of Christianity if you think that Jesus ever recommended people worship crosses...? Crucifixion was a form of execution in Roman times reserved for non-Roman citizens and a practice which was later taken up by Islamists :

"When the Apostle of Allah . . . cut off (the hands and feet of) those who had stolen his camels and he had their eyes put out by fire (heated nails), Allah reprimanded him on that (action), and Allah, the Exalted, revealed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion." (Abu Dawud, no. 4357)"

Crucifixion can be and has used even up to the present in Sudan and Nigeria and other states that rely on barbaric Sharia law as a substitute for a humane legal system.

However, if the Messiah comes back and and says to become a Muslim as he is a Muslim, how many Christians are prepared to become Muslims?
that's just not gong to happen - as in many cases the teachings of Christ and the Mohammed differ markedly. Here's another teaching of Christ
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits."

"....... I asked a Christian this once and he said NO!!"

He said no because Christ would never give such an answer - because then he would be contradicting hs own teachings.

"........ Therein lies what you must reconcile within yourselves. Are you REALLY following Jesus?"
I imagine most Christians sincerely try - but in doing so they are automatically NOT following Mohammed - which is a good thing. Christ and Mohammed taught different things.

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

Submitting....

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