Islam creates its own problems.

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Jan 22, 2009 at 19:48

Abdelrahman writes:

""It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance. " Quran 28:56

Other religions say similar things - so you are no making any new points.

".......Thank Allah I have seen Islam before i see muslims.." said by a westerner who converted to Islam.

eventually he will say '.......I have seen through Islam......."

"........Even the messenger of Allah couldn't guide his own uncle to Islam ..."

I have no reason to doubt that at all.

"........And yes the rulers of arab countries are muslims ... Does this mean that Islam is the responsible for everything wrong in this world ? "

No, it means Islam is largely responsible for everything wrong in the Muslim world.

"......so it's very wrong religion we should ban it .. It's dangerous for our world..."

Banning it would give it a perverse appeal. Exposure of what it is is far more effective.

"...... I cry for every muslim who pollute the Islam reputation without his awarness .. We would never become like that if we have our concepts of Islam"

Islam is against expansion of awareness - against people becoming fully conscious and free. It harms itself by creating so many limitations. But then has the catch-all - if you leave Islam - we will kill you. So it's stuck - never able to progress and evolve.

.". Do you know how the real muslim should be?.. The real muslim shouldn't be a sinner or ensure lies or kill or become proud or do anything that is against his belief ... "

And what if their belief is that anyone who is not a Muslim is not innocent - therefore it is OK to kill them in the 'cause of Allah'? There are Muslims who think like this. They will argue with you and tell you it is you who are wrong!

".......Hamas and Hezbollah, Al Quds brigade etc ... They don't concern me about my religion in anything.."

These are Muslim militias - you're a Muslim and you'd agree with at least some of whatthey think and say and do wouldn't you?

".....These organization are like governments doing what they think is right in a political thinking .. They have enemies and their main purpose is to destroy their enemies no matter what.... So whenever they go against some common enemy with the peoples in their countries ,they get their support and not because they are all terrorists...."

right - but the US Army, the UK Army, UN troops, Wehrmacht do not get together under a 'Christian' banner - and use people's religious sympathies and biases to get support do they?

"....The occuping forces in any country are the great enemy for it's peoples ... You living in the west and haven't passed through this experience won't make it more clear for you... But all we see in the countries occupied is destruction..."

Eurpoeans have certainly witnessed far greater destruction than anything going on anywhere in the Muslim world barely 60 years ago. Did the French see the Allied invasion form the UK as occupying forces? Were they ungrateful? I'm sure some may have resented the English 'invading ' their land - but for the most part it was welcomed. In the long run it was the best thing.

"When we experience a terrorist attack from some of these organizations... why don't we think of it as a political solution they thought it's the best for the situation?.."

They might have thought it was a political soultion - but who cares? How does that help you as you are lying on a hospital soultion with a leg blown off and have one lung shredded from shrapnel?

They use the religion of Allah as their cover to their crimes... And what about what Israel and the killing they have done in Gaza Strip?

"... Why we say they do that as a defense for their countries?? and we don't say that their religion is responsible??"

Nothing to do with religion. It was a military decision - handed down by the Knesset. They were sick of thousnadns of potentially deadluy rockets raining down unannounced at any time of the day or night over the last 6 years. They wanted to put a stop to it and cripple Hamas. They did. There were unfortunate instances of course where children and defenseless people have been killed, but it is the same on both sides. Muslims in Bosnia did the same thing in sarjevo - firing mortars from a hospital entrance on distant Serbs - knowing that the Serbs would fire back unaware they were hitting a hospital. Similar tactics in Gaza.

. "You would say that the Quran has a lot of verses urging us to fight those who don't believe in Allah...."

Would I? Does it?

"And you get the wrong Idea about Jihad... We are told to conquer countries........ "

Well, that is completely absurd and totally wrong wrong in itself. NBo wonder you peiople are so messed up.You are not robots - you should think for yourself. Why conquer other countries when your own countries are in such a mess? Your way of spreading the Islamic happiness?

"......and not destroying them but to spread Islam and we are not told to kill any civilians or unarmed or cut a tree or destroy a building .. Just pure fight in case of conquering another country"

What is a 'pure' fight? You mean kill the population but steal all the technology and property?

".....(Muslims have always been fought by non-muslims and that's why conquering is found in the Quran)...."

and Muslims have been fought by other Muslims - so that makes Muslims at war with everyone doesn't it? Why is that? What is the underlying common link?

"....That's not the only kind of Jihad .. Jihad is also to invite other peoples to conert to Islam (and not to force them to)...."

but as you've just written - to conquer their countries right? Take their homes, countries, societies, technology, women etc etc - but offer them the choice to convert to Islam - or otherwise treat them as second class citizens (or even kill them as has happened in some Muslim countries.)

".In fact Jihad has alot more to discuss but I won't go into it any further since you won't get anything about it..."

Yes, your Islamic awareness will tell you I am close-minded and blind to the wonderful truths of Islam.

"...I am not perfect muslim too "

No one is but that is not the point. I think you mean well and are sincere. But because your frame of reference is and always has been Islam - you see through a very distorted lens.

"so when I say that what I wrote was a reflection of every muslim living in the middle east , I mean that the majority of us think this way.... And Islam will stand still till the day of judgement and at this day we all are goin to know where is the truth and what religion is true..."

and there will be some very bitter disappontmentsm for Islamists.

"Doesn't the Koran recommend death or similar for making that move?"

"....Yes koran recomend death for apostates who left Islam and embrace any other religion then become muslims again and then apostatize again from Islam.. These are the rules of our god ..Shall we argue god in that???"

An Islamic fable. No, these are not the rules of God, God would not be so petty and stupid and demonstrably unmerciful. These are rules written into Islam to guarantee its self preservation. It was probably written into the fine print by an 8th century equivalent of a lawyer.

".....That's our test in the life to hold the right belief and never abandon it ... The truth would reveal at the end and whever followed the right path is a winner.... May Allah show us all the right path"

what's right for you is not right for other people. If you're sick and take some medicine - does that mean your medicine is good for other people? Especially if they're not sick at all?

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