Israel and Clear Victory

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 3, 2009 at 08:21

Our dear abd al-rahman wrote

>"Therefore Muhammad could not have been sent to your ancestors the Egyptians as he did not speak Coptic/Egyptian right?"

>Allah sent before Muhammad many messengers and there was Saydna Mosa who was sent to Pher3oon(Ramsees Al-Thany) and u ignored my notice about what happened to Pher3oon and how does the Qur'an tell us his story and how this story is turned out to be true taking in considering that no other book told his story.......

You need to start reading real books and for your information the story of the so called Exodus (al-khuruj) by the Jews from Egypt is a bogus story that never happened and for this read "Egypt, Canaan and Israel in ancient times by Donald Redford" where he refutes the historicity of the fable of the Exodus and no real historian can refute what he wrote and indeed some Jewish Rabbis admit that the story of the Exodus is not real history but what historians call: Heilsgeschite (sp?) or sacred history and it is not "what really happened" But again Muhammad plagiarized such story and there is no going back and he fell in the trap

And do you see what islam does to you? It asks you to demonize your own ancestors the likes of Ramses al-thani

>So that means that we should follow Saydna Mosa right??

The story of the Exodus is not real history as in "what really happened:" it is the "sacred history" of the Jews and there is no reason for me or for you to believe that there was such a person by the name of Mussa as literary examination of the first books of the Bible (what is called al-tawrah in the Qur'an) did not drop from the sky but were written by at least 5 hands the most famous one is the so called P tradition and they were written over a period of a few hundered years so you see nothing drops from the sky but Muhammad had no clue and all he did is he plagiarized asateer al-qudama' and called them real history when this is far from the truth

>Ok let me tell you another thing if we don't have the right book for Saydna Mosa or it has been distorted so what we should do??

No bogus. the so called polemic of tahreef does not make sense after all it says in the Qur'an that no one can change. Right? then we are also told that al-tawrah is the word of Allah. Right? then no one can change it. Right? Then this means that the tahreef business of the Bible is bogus unless Allah does not exist and therefore the Jews harafu al-tawarah and got away with it or your Allah is not omnipotent and he cannot do anything. So which one is it? Shame on you for repeating this nonsense

>Simple answer: Allah sent many messengers and everyone came to his age and not to his peoples only...

So our dear abd al-rahman agrees that Muhammad was only sent to his qawm the Hijazi Arabs only

>And whenever you find two prophets or in the same age you will find one book to follow..

gobbledygook

>And the Bible and the Torah mentiond our messenger Muhammad and mentioned that we should follow him......

Really? Now i have a few questions for you:

1. Where would I find the name Qutham (this is Muhammad's name) or Abul Qasim (and this is his kunya) in the Bible? You will never find either one.

2. Oh the paraclete? So is this Muhammad or is it Ahmad? But how do you know that Qutham or Abul Qasim did not know about it and then he changed his name to Ahmad/Muhammad and it was a case of reversing cause for effect? what do you think?

3. Oh you just told us that the Bible is a kitab muharaf. Right? then why do you quote a kitab muharaf ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer? after all may be the name of Muhammad in the Bible is no more than tahreef.

4. Oh and I DNM changed my name to Muhammad and my friends call me Ahmad. Do you think that I may be the Muhammad mentioned in the Bible?

Shame on you for repeating this nonsense

>"Where would i find the name of Muhammad in the above aya? You will not find it"

"Where would i find that whoever he is the subject of such aya is a rasul? you will not find it. It is talking about mercy and I acn think of many great peopel that were indeed great mercy for this humanity the likes of the Buddha and Ghandi and the Christ and Mother Teresa but Muhammad for sure was not one of them"

>That's exactly what used to be told by the messengers killers and al-kofar...They tried to get anything in the Qur'an to use against it ...And you are not making any sense really by saying that this aya isn't about a rasul because Allah sent messengers and we know it all and you know it but your poo mind is getting missed up......And im not gonna answer your weak question because you know the answer...

You will not answer it because you know that you have no answer

>"Oh and as I told you before: Allah spoke to me too via an angel and do you think that may be I'm the subject in the above aya? what do you think?"

>And Allah would never guide mutinous and atheist peoples like you....

Oh I see but Allah makes a rasul out of an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester

>And thank you very much for wasting my time for nothing but some non sense talk....If you really need to know what to follow in this life then find that on your own and don't come in and start putting charges on a real religion trying to make peoples leave it because you will never be able to make a real muslim disbelieve in his religion

I urge you to think about what I wrote and to free your self from the imperialism of the arabs and be proud of your own ancestors that were demonized by Allah and his rasul

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