Islam doesn't create problems

Submitted by Abdelrahman (Egypt), Jan 26, 2009 at 09:52

"Islam is against expansion of awareness - against people becoming fully conscious and free. It harms itself by creating so many limitations. But then has the catch-all - if you leave Islam - we will kill you. So it's stuck - never able to progress and evolve."

How can Islam be like that? we are told to learn other religions and compare them to know that our religion is the truth and to help guide other peoples to be on the right path...

"And what if their belief is that anyone who is not a Muslim is not innocent - therefore it is OK to kill them in the 'cause of Allah'? There are Muslims who think like this. They will argue with you and tell you it is you who are wrong! "

Who tell you this isn't a muslim... We have never been told kill non-muslims cuz they are not muslims or their beliefs go far from Islam... And who ever think like this is ignorant of Islam

"These are Muslim militias - you're a Muslim and you'd agree with at least some of whatthey think and say and do wouldn't you?"

I would agree with what they are doing good for their country and not in their thinking of my religion.. And I would support them for what they are doing if they are the only defense against the invaders...I am a sunni muslim and these organization are Shia msulims (great diferrence) ..I follow our messenger and the Qur'an ...They follow some of these and they doubt some of the Qur'an and follow their leaders... I didn't want to turn this talk about Shia and Sunna and I didn't go further but I had to make the outlines ...

"right - but the US Army, the UK Army, UN troops, Wehrmacht do not get together under a 'Christian' banner - and use people's religious sympathies and biases to get support do they?"

Did they need this banner to go attack another country?? Didn't they have the enough power to go into Iraq and Afghanistan and settle down??.... Do you see that these wars had benifits for these countries??..

"Eurpoeans have certainly witnessed far greater destruction than anything going on anywhere in the Muslim world barely 60 years ago. Did the French see the Allied invasion form the UK as occupying forces? Were they ungrateful? I'm sure some may have resented the English 'invading ' their land - but for the most part it was welcomed. In the long run it was the best thing."

So we should welcome any forces come to the middle east to invade us?? .. Well dependes on what they provide except for destruction and messing our countries up...

"Nothing to do with religion. It was a military decision - handed down by the Knesset. They were sick of thousnadns of potentially deadluy rockets raining down unannounced at any time of the day or night over the last 6 years. They wanted to put a stop to it and cripple Hamas. They did. There were unfortunate instances of course where children and defenseless people have been killed, but it is the same on both sides. Muslims in Bosnia did the same thing in sarjevo - firing mortars from a hospital entrance on distant Serbs - knowing that the Serbs would fire back unaware they were hitting a hospital. Similar tactics in Gaza."

So It was a military decision to go destroy and kill the peoples of Gaza as a response to the missiles...The loses of this war were estimated by 2.2 billion $ .. 10 thousand families have lost their houses... 20 thousand residential unit have been fully destroyed.. And even the governmental organizations have been destroyed..... And Israel haven't harmed hamas even a little bit ... Israel intended to saty in Gaza strip after they ceased fire and at that time hamas launched more than 8 missiles in the next morning .. Then hamas decided to stop the missiles and gave the Israelie army one week to pull their forces out of the Gaza strip or they will launch their missiles on the Israelie army and there Israel goes to pull out it's troopers... And hamas still have it's power.. Only 48 were killed from the resistance militias... And don't be deceived by anyone who tell you that Israel has accomplished its goals...In fact there are more political reasons that Israel should have pulled its troops and you can conclude that..

"Well, that is completely absurd and totally wrong wrong in itself. NBo wonder you peiople are so messed up.You are not robots - you should think for yourself. Why conquer other countries when your own countries are in such a mess? Your way of spreading the Islamic happiness?"

You are right we shouldn't go conquer other countries cuz we are in such a mess.. Remind me of something happened that we went to conquer another country in this mess??.... Do you think that our rulers care about Islam and what it says?? Well NO They Don't

"and Muslims have been fought by other Muslims - so that makes Muslims at war with everyone doesn't it? Why is that? What is the underlying common link?"

I meant when Islam first appeared the non-muslims didn't welcome it and killed whoever say that Allah is his god... We are not at war with everyone and there are alot of situations for our prophet about that... We even got the help of Christian ruler at this time .. The muslims stayed in his land away from the muslim killers (most of thes killers were idols worshipers)...

"but as you've just written - to conquer their countries right? Take their homes, countries, societies, technology, women etc etc - but offer them the choice to convert to Islam - or otherwise treat them as second class citizens (or even kill them as has happened in some Muslim countries.)"

We are not told to take their homes or women etc etc... We offer them the choice to convert to Islam or pay the Jizya and that's if we are using the rules of Islam ruling but right now the governments take this Jizya as taxes and the muslims have one of the five corners of Islam is to pay the Zakah and that's to help the poor and construct the hospitals and schools and whatever... And except for that we are not told to treat anyone as a second class citizen or to kill them...

"Yes, your Islamic awareness will tell you I am close-minded and blind to the wonderful truths of Islam."

It would tell me that you have tied alot of things in the Qur'an and Islam together and then used your mind the wrong way so you are far from the truth...

"No one is but that is not the point. I think you mean well and are sincere. But because your frame of reference is and always has been Islam - you see through a very distorted lens."

Since I've become aware that this is the truth then it's the best reference for me and you do the same..

"An Islamic fable. No, these are not the rules of God, God would not be so petty and stupid and demonstrably unmerciful. These are rules written into Islam to guarantee its self preservation. It was probably written into the fine print by an 8th century equivalent of a lawyer."

I wrote this wrong the last time .. In fact the Qur'an has no punishment in this life for this part but it promise them to go to hell...Our prophet made this clear for us and the situations all over the Islamic ages made this clear to... Whoever go far from Islam for his thought he is free but he will go to hell at the end but whoever go far from Islam and his intentions are to make plots against mulsims then that should be killed...And Allah is the most merciful for all peoples that's why he is letting humans have their chances in this life to worship him and that's why we muslims when we make sins we ask his forgivenss and he gives it to us .. But worshiping anything else is not acceptable by Allah...And Islam would last because Allah has told us that and he is able to protect it....

Most of you are writing here are the senistive cases in Islam that make alot of peoples go away from the truth... The Qur'an has told alot of facts that haven't revealed for 1400 years till in our technology world and all scientists that go for a battle with a scientific fact in the Qur'an converts to Islam at the end... The truth is so clear for whoever opens his heart to Islam...

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