of Hitler, Saddam Hussain, Niqbal assan and other luminaries

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Jan 13, 2010 at 05:03

GIK wrote initially in reference to the gassing of the Kurds by S Hussains henchmen:
"Part of the quote from Al Majid above states "....I will do it, with the help of God." I'm sorry - I thought God and Allah were interchangeable terms. If not - then you'll have to explain exactly who or what allah is."

Mr Bannergee replies:
My Answer >>> This is a normal kind of quote for Any Arab Muslim. It does not signify that the Al-Mazid was invoking Allah's help for killing Kurds , fellow Muslims.

So - it's just a meaningless line that muslims spout ? It means nothing - almost like an oratory tic?
It has no significance at all that it is shouted before flying a jet into a building or behading a helpless human being - or shooting unarmed people to death in a civilian setting - or immmediately detonating a suicoide vest?

"And anyway Allah calls for harsh punishments against people like Al-Mazid who resorted to killing innocents like the Kurds."
And what does allah have in store for people who mete out cruel and barbaric punishments for minor transgressions against civil laws - or even for situations where no transgressions against civil law have occurred? i.e whipping, stoning, crucifixion, beheading, limb smputations etc etc

"Al-Mazid was a criminal who just happened to born in Arab culture."
He was no less a criminal than any taliban, any al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Al Shebab etc etc. But in any case - was he created a criminal by allah who just placed him in an arab culture? Or did the arab culture, because of its undercurrent of violence and corruption - foster his criminal tendencies?

" On the issue of Hitler I want to state that Hitler never rejected Christianity or Jesus's teachings. "

Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race."[22] Albert Speer reports in his memoirs of a similar statement made by Hitler: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[23]

And do not forget that Hitler was born into a Christian culture which considered Jews as "evil Christ killers".

Hitler did have a willing and sycophantic audience in none other than the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - a person with a title no less illustrious than my own - though admittedly one having a slightly different Weltanschauung

As noted above Hitler would have preferred the harshness and totalitarianism of Mohammedanism to Christianity. Christianity was actually a hindrance to him. It would have been far easier for him to use people who were accustomed to seeing hangings as part of Saturday afternoon entertainment - as is the case today in some muslim countries.

So Hitler's native Christian culture was no less responsible for his actions."

You shoot yourself in the foot with that one. Muslims have been responsible in the last 10 years for over 10,000 serious incidents that have involved bloodshed and loss of life or sever maiming of innocent human beings. Not just one man as in Hitler's case - but a multitude of people have been involved. What does that indicate about Islam?

On the issue of Mohammad Mossadeq I request you to kindly go through the history of Anglo-Iranian Oil. That particualr company was cheating the Iranians by taking all it's profits.This was a denial of legtimate Iranian rights.

As you possibly have read but have not acknowledged - the Anglo-Iranian oil company was permitted to extract oil in Iran - subject to an agreement between an Arab sheik and the company managers. Sums of money were paid - the entire process was allowed by the Iranian goverment when it was drawn up. Just like China now in its efforts to extract timber from te Amazon - one of many examples. Simply big business in action. It goes on in every country , India, Pakistan, China, Russia.

"Mossadeq wanted to stop it so he was overthrown by the British and the US. How can you justify the overthrowal of a nationalist like Mossadeq with a puppet like the Shah ?"

Mossadeq wanted to rob the assets of a company that had invested huge amounts of time and technolgy in order to make a profit. Would it have all gone back to the people? Instead of a large slice goung into his pockets and his relatives and cronies. Can you give an example in the Middle East where this has not happened?

The Shah was a member of an Iranian monarchical system that stretched back 2 millenia. The Prime Minister's pedigree went back how long? You could say the samething about Tsar Nicholas of Russia. How could we justify the re-instatement of Tsar Nicholas over the Bolsheviks - if the Tsar's followers had been successful in winning the battle to restore the Russian monarchy?

"You cannot paint organizations such as Al-Shabab,Al-Qaeda or Hezbollah together. They were created because of different reasons and they are certainly not similar type of beings."
That's right, they're certainly not - some are Southern Baptists, some are Pentecostalists - and some are a group of breakaway Quakers aren't they? Sorry for lumping them all together - I should have been more careful.

" Kindly provide a defintion of the term "Islamist" because I do not understand what you mean by it."

How about a muslim who is devoted to the spread of the islamic myth either by overt or covert means, with no concern at all to the sensibilities of non-adherents . Many others come easily to mind but involve maladaptive behaviours brought about by psychological conditions and some rather esoteric psychiatric symptom definitions which , though relevant , you would find unagreeable I'm sure.

" As per as Yitjhak Shamir and Menachem Begin were concerned they were terrorists. They were convicted of being terrorists by the British in the Palestine in the early 1940-s since they were invovled in "Irgun" the Zionist terrorist outfit."

And as we discovered, Mandela was a terrorist by his own admission as well as the opinion of the courts of the land he was tried in (South Africa)

"As per as defintiion of terrorism is concerned it is easy to define people like Maj. Nidal Hassan as terrorists."
Well, now that you bring that particular case up - do you think he was a terrorist - or was he another victim of the Christian majority culture he was brought up in? I mean, we can't have the man, a medical doctor who had spent extra years studying psychiatry, taking any responsibility for his own actions - nor dicriminate against him by labeling him a 'terrorist'. He was after all getting instructions from Allah so it seems. And what's a few infidels anyway?

But are you ready to define people like Bush and Sharon as terrorists since they have killed more innocent people than Al-Qaeda ? I am waiting for your answer.

I don't recall Bush or Sharon ever shooting people . They were Chief of staff in their own countries - but did not draw up battle plans or decide what should be done and where. US troops never used children and women as human shields the was Hamas or Bosnian Muslims have done. Or your buddies in Kashmir http://www.kashmir-information.com/atrocities/index.html

"...Take care."

back at you sweetie

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