"Wrong again and again..." Some vague Turkish self-reflection at last ?

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jan 19, 2010 at 07:35

Suna wrote :

>Türk doesn't mean barbarian in Osmanlıca.<

Yes,it does!

"Le mot 'ottoman' fut banni du vocabulaire officiel et il fut remplacé par le mot turc jusqu'alors péjoré et synonyme de «paysan»."

"Osmanlılar için Türk'ün sözlük anlamı idrak-ı bilhak(anlayış yoksunu,cahil)di".

to quote just two refrences out of plethora of others to the same effect.

> It's a 7000 years old word.<

Turkey has always been famous for its magic fairy tales and the most drastic contrast between reality and what Turks make of it.

The oldest Turkic texts are the Orkhon and Yenissey inscriptions in Sogdian runic and they are some 1300 years old.Now you invent a 7000 year-old (!) Turkish word. Prove what you say, Turkish "linguist"!

> But I can agree that your language isn't capable to translate it.<

Untranslatableness of (Ata)turkish? Isn't it another miracle of this artificial language spoken today by Anatolian Turks comparable only to that of another tribal language so loved by the Turks because of its author - the Quran? ;)

> The translation you gave is the Western idea when Istanbul became ours, just to express their fear.<

No, it isn't.It is a faithful translation of Osmali "idrak-ı bilhak" Türk . By the way, will you kindly translate for the readers here this gem of Osmanli poetry by the court author Hafiz Ahmed Osmanlı :

SAKIN TÜRK'Ü İNSAN SANMA
BİR AN BİLE OLSA TÜRKLE OLMA
TÜRK ELİNE ŞEKER OLSA,O ŞEKER ZEHİR OLUR
TÜRK'ÜN BAŞINI KESERKEN SAKIN GAM YEME
BABAN BİLE OLSA TÜRK'Ü ÖLDÜR. ?

> You should better search why the Chinese Wall is built. <

It was built to help the friendly Turkic barbarians find their favourite self-employment as murderers, looters rapists and destroyers of all civilized life in a different place than China?

>Did you ever hear of Ibn Sina, better known as Avicenne.<

The same who tried to understand Aristotle by making ablutions, performing salats in the mosque and imploring Allah to send his illumination on how to reduce the Greek genius to the thrid-rate Beduin Arabic animism?

>This is only a example. The name is translated because of fear. <

I do know in Islam EVERYTHING is based on fear...

>Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is none of your buisiness.<

It is all of my business as every mass murderer, big liar and talented clown impostor must be everydbody's business. Truth is worth knowing irrespective of one's nationality.

> Don't try to teach me my history.<

How could I dare teach a kaba turk a lesson in history? His Osmanli intellectuals failed in the task and their voice was suppressed , so how could a kafir like myself follow insanely in their footprints? You'd rather teach a camel sing than a Turk think rationally.

> Your truth will never be ours.<

Truth is neither mine nor yours.It's objective.In this particular case truth is on my side and what you have is a simple and pure lie held by terror and fear. What I say is in full accordance with Artistotle's principle of contradiction. Aristotle is translated as "the best, most noble aim, end".

> Because you can't even make the difference between the Ottoman Empire and The Turkish Republic.<

I make no differences where there are none or too few to count. The Turks tell me about revolution, 'devrim', reforms, discontinuity. What I see is continuity, tradition, all Ottoman pattern everywhere, ancient brute barbarity wearing new clownish clothes.

So first and foremost, I NEVER believe what is said officially in Turkey. I assume as an axiom that it is a lie until the other side proves it isn't. And so far the official Turkish side has never proved anything. It has just kept repeating its unsubstantiated claims and fantastic assertions just as you do, you Turkish lie machine.

> Your brain isn't capable to understand what he served for and you will never be.<

I definitely prefer my brain to yours and if you read the above once again you might even have a chance to realize why.

>But you know what Ianus. I can understand why you're traumatised. Your country was between 2 dictators, hitler and stalin. Actually you didn't knew what it was to be free. <

I don' blame you ,Turk, for never hearing of "Liberum Veto". In this country freedom of speech was the Holiest of Holies!!! A single gentleman could stand up here in a public meeting and by saying "Liberum Veto" thwart and cancel all nonsense and lies spread by the powers that be. Check that if you don't believe, Moslem slave.

Now in contrast your Turkey has ALWAYS been a despotic Oriental tyranny. It's a police state now. It's continuous, uninterrupted 1000 year-old history of suppression of freedom of speech and forming conformists and repetition lie machines like you. The old Ottoman history continues in Ataturkistan with article 301, show trials,hnaging oppositions, coups d'etat, laws against thinking rationally and without fear about Kemal, Islam ...

Funny, a mental slave like you teaching me - a proud descendant of our unique traditions of 'Liberum Veto'- on freedom! Another Turkish parody like your 99,8% Islamized 'secularism', 'one-party democracy' and tightly controlled Turkish 'free press' ... ;)

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