Thank you for the good laughs Debanjan

Submitted by Shishir (United States), Jul 31, 2013 at 04:31

"And why should they fulfill this wish list of yours. You dont seem to understand what is meant by conviction.If killing Pakistani children is their conviction then they are standing by their convictions arent they!"

Myself : These so-called Islamic dissenters need to show that they are not hypocritical when they talk about human rights issues they need to prove their point by criticising where it is valid to criticise the West. As long as they do not do that they will be considered hypocritical by the Islamic world in general.

You also seem to suggest that these people support the killing of innocent Pakistani children by drones

I suggest no such thing. Where do you get this info?I dont see why Islamic dissenters need criticize the West anymore than Western dissenters criticize Islam.I doubt you would appreciate the latter. You cannot create your own private criteria as to what constitutes dissent and expect others to obey

"Just FYI Ayaan Hirsi Ali isnt a Christian fundamentalist-she is pro gay marriage and abortion as well as for feminism. Things that upset her right wing Christian fans a great deal"

Myself : The issues of gay marriage or abortion in the Western world are quite important and relevant and so the death of innocent Muslim children through drones or Western sanctions.

If you support the life of homosexual people and at the same time oppose the right to life by innocent Pakistani children then you are considered as a hypocrit period.

Absolute nonsense. There is no connection between supporting killing Pakistani children via drones and supporting homosexuals. And also you are imposing Islamist thought process on American conservatives. No one in the European or American right wings want to deny homosexuals "right to life".BTW the greatest opponent of drones and the war on terror is a homosexual Glenn Greenwald.

Gays in general tend to be left leaning Democrats and therefore while they support Obama ,they dont care much for his wars.

"Also it was not Sharon who was the the butcher of Shatila but Lebanese Christian militias"

It was Sharon who armed those miiitias it is documented by every sane Israeli writer of the day. Why do you think he allowed these militias to roam freely in those camps when those camps were under his military authority ? He had to resign from his position as defense minister precisely for this.

It is one thing to have authority over an area and another to be omnipotent and omnipresent which no one is.At worst he was indifferent to the massacres.Palestinians had other enemies besides Jews-one of whom were the Maronites.And they were in Lebanese territory ,something that irked the Maronites more than it did Sharon.

"DB:Or may be you have never read about any modern Islamic scholars. Have you read Syed Qutb , Mohammad Iqbal , Jamal Al-Afghani , Syed Nursi or even say Imam Khomenini ? Probably not."

"S: I have read enough of those theocratic gangsters to know that they must be opposed tooth and nail."

Myself: Theocratic gangster who ?? Have you ever bothered to read Mohammad Iqbal whose songs are national songs of both India and Pakistan ? Why do you oppose Mohammad Iqbal someone who exchanged letters with Friedrick Niestchze ? Have you ever heard about Jamal Al=Afghani and his views ? Do you know even who Said Nursi was ? Have you ever gone through Sayed Qutb or Imam Khomeini's political theories ?

Mohmammed Iqbal was a big fan of Mussolini and Communism. I dont care if his songs are observed by Indian and Pakistani governments.

As for Nursi and Jamal Afghani, if their views are in agreement with yours then I am not interested in them.Id sooner probe the political views of stray cats.

And Khomeini? Hahaha I dont care what he says but what he has does, if you think Iran is better off due to his views, you have one more screw loose than I thought

"And you are really a fool to compare Manning,Assange and Snowden to Islamic dissenters. As you are confusing political /national with religious dissent. National dissent or treachery is a very serious crime in any nation, be it Christian,Muslim,Buddhist,Hindu,athiest or what have you. "

Myself : To many Americans , their nation is a god-given country. Their nationalism is akin to a religious fervor if you consider the hero worshipping of ruthless tyrants like Jefferson and Washington as so-called founding fathers. Those ones who opposed Manning and now are calling to assasinate Assange or Snowden do so since they consider Snowden to be a heretic to their religion of American exceptionalism. Period.

Hahahaha! America is "a god given" country therefore these individuals are blasphemers! Hahahaha. Jefferson and Washington as ruthless tyrants! Hahahaha ! This coming from a worshipper of Timur Lang!!

As I explained to you but you are clearly too dense to understand- there is no country in the world that would tolerate the actions of Snowden and Manning.They would view them as traitors and have them hanged. America is actually more lax on this matter compared to other nations.Despite many such acts of collusion with the enemy over the years,only two people have been executed for treason-the Rosenbergs and yes they were Jewish.I hope your head has exploded by now

I leave the rest of the arguments in the dustbin where they belong.

Please read these people carefully and come back to me.

Please learn to read and come back to me. Your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills are incredibly poor!

"You must compare the treatment of Islamic dissenters not to Manning et al but to those like Dawkins and Hitchens etc who write books against God ,Judaism,Christianity etc and become millionaires and are celebrities among the bien pensants of the West"

Myself : Dawkins and Hitchens were tolerated simply because they belonged to the ethnic majority. Look at the harsh treatment meted out to Reza Islam when he has been threatened because firstly he wrote a book on Jesus with an unique viewpoint and secondly because he is a Muslim who was courageous enough to write something on Jesus.

I think you mean Reza Aslan. I dont agree with him but he has a right to what he says(which is more than you grant to Salman Rushdie or Taslima Nasreen). Probing in to his motivations is perfectly valid as he is not a Christian. Dawkins and Hitchens are "tolerated" because they are the ethnic majority?!Hahaha

Debanjan I say this honestly- You are the stupidest person Ive ever come across.No really I am not being snarky. Your ideology has made you completely brain dead and you are unable to think properly at all. Get some help.For real

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