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The Family of Imraan

Reader comment on item: Nation-building in Afghanistan, Iraq Was Never Going to Work

Submitted by Renox (United States), Sep 21, 2021 at 03:25

During the last few weeks of America's sojourn in Afghanistan, a certain refrain I had read or heard somewhere stuck in my mind and I have yet to get rid of it. It goes something like this: an Afghan and an American are talking about the coming calamitous and embarrassing abandonment by the US of its Asian ward. The American asks the Afghani how they withstood American's presence in his country for so long to which the Afghan replied: "You guys never had a chance here.....you may have had the clocks and watches at your disposal......but we had the Time."

That is to say: it was just a matter of time before the US - stumbling and fumbling – would abandon its project in Afghanistan.....as it had in Syria, Iraq and basically all of the Middle East. (Let's not forget the grotesque scenes in Libya of our US Ambassador – his corpse, that is – being dragged and hauled from one end of Benghazi to the other by who knows who for who knows why.)

Item to keep in mind: There have been a total of 8 US Ambassadors killed while in office: 2 died in plane crashes, and one was killed by rebel forces in Guatemala. The rest were all killed in the greater Middle East, specifically: Sudan, Lebanon, Afghanistan (1979), Libya and Cyprus.

But it is Dr. Pipes' 4th factor outlined in his essay that I think is the root cause of American failure not only in Afghanistan but in the Middle East as a whole. That is to say it is very difficult, probably impossible for an average American to really grasp the tenacity, the omnipresence, and dominance of Islam – the religion – in all phases of Middle Eastern life. The idea that the US could transform Afghanistan laws, institutions and way of doing things to closely resemble a Western country was a notion that had no chance of succeeding.....not even close.

A recent story I read relates how a famous scholar on Islam was recently giving a lecture/seminar to an advanced class at Stanford on the causes of the 9/11 attacks in the USA. Discussions and questions were allowed during the lecture.

The scholar later commented in private how naïve and uninformed this advanced class was on even the most elementary dynamics of the subject at hand. As the lecture continued, and to his utter amazement, he realized that just about every student was unable to understand the extend to which religion....plain ol' religion – was the primal force for the 9/11 attacks. To them, that people could actually be inspired and driven to perform the heinous attacks on the basis of some religious beliefs was totally beyond their comprehension, totally alien. They were dumbfounded. (So was the scholar but for other reasons).

During the last 20, 25 years, whenever an event occurs in which Islam has played a role in one capacity or another, I usually hearken back to an illuminative Koranic phrase that explains so much to me. It comes from the Sura (chapter) with the name: The Family of Imraan (sura 3: verse 119). Here it is in Arberry's translation, though I have modified it extensively to reflect my own interpretation of the original Arabic: In it, Allah acclaims the Community of Believers and charges them with the leadership of Man:

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"You are the greatest of Nations, committed to honor, forbidden to dishonor and believing in Allah. You were forged mightily and put on Earth as an example to Mankind. Had the People of the Book believed as you do, their entry into Paradise would have been assured. While some of them are Believers, most of them are ungodly and are doomed to Hell for all Eternity."
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With a steady diet like this since childhood, one can perhaps see the futility in any attempts at "change". Not for several more lifetimes, at least.

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Reader comments (27) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
2(humor on) On rebuilding the vanquished nations [148 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
PrashantJan 22, 2022 15:38278447
1Thanks for providing the original 'citation' for the joke. [34 words]PrashantJan 24, 2022 02:20278447
3Germany, Japan, Austria, and Italy vs Iraq and Afganistan [1637 words]LudvikusJan 21, 2022 19:02278433
True and well said [26 words]ShmuelJan 6, 2022 10:12278025
The invasion of Iraq was about something primal [164 words]ShishirNov 13, 2021 01:41276513
Other matters [103 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
KephaNov 11, 2021 16:24276483
Changing world [110 words]Arish SahaniOct 18, 2021 18:46275865
4The Family of Imraan [653 words]RenoxSep 21, 2021 03:25274920
3Renox: It is Surat Ali-Imran: 110 not 119 and the Doctrine of الامر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر [411 words]dhimmi no moreSep 21, 2021 14:58274920
2Once Again - Clarification Necessary to Perceive How Wrong Things Are [128 words]M ToveySep 22, 2021 13:49274920
1Hopelessly without Meaning [394 words]RenoxSep 22, 2021 16:12274920
1Very Brief Introduction to the Doctrine of الامر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر Part Two [234 words]dhimmi no moreSep 23, 2021 07:10274920
Our dear Lenox earned his صلى الله عليه وسلم and remember this is about Arabic NOT ENGLISH or Urdu for this matter [463 words]dhimmi no moreSep 23, 2021 13:03274920
Our dear Lenox and what is تفسير and what is ترجمة? And speaking of "word salad"! [230 words]dhimmi no moreSep 23, 2021 14:00274920
Teaching basic Arabic to our dear Renox who needs to stick to Urdu and English [303 words]dhimmi no moreSep 23, 2021 15:24274920
Our dear Renox صلى الله عليه وسلم and علي آلِ and other sordid matters [210 words]dhimmi no moreSep 24, 2021 07:34274920
Our dear Renox صلى الله عليه وسلم and الترجمة and التفسير/التأويل and آلِ is علي! [238 words]dhimmi no moreSep 24, 2021 10:22274920
1Again: Clarification of Arabic Roots to Non-Arabic Translations [63 words]M ToveySep 24, 2021 13:56274920
2But...but...everybody's just like us [192 words]JeffSep 24, 2021 20:27274920
1Artificial States [34 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Reynald de ChatillonSep 21, 2021 01:53274916
You Are Wrong to Say "Never" [1518 words]
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David RyanSep 20, 2021 12:00274888
To Say Never Contradicts the Reality - If It Could Happen, It Likely Will [157 words]M ToveySep 20, 2021 17:29274888
Post Script-in Retrospect, Afghanistan Was Inevitable - Only None in Power Learned Why [263 words]M ToveySep 21, 2021 15:42274888
2Brilliant acccurate analysis [157 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
NicholasSep 19, 2021 18:48274845
3Strategic Space [146 words]leonard a okenSep 19, 2021 18:24274843
2Iran in 2009? [41 words]John in MichiganSep 19, 2021 18:19274842
Maybe some development will happen the next 100 years? [32 words]Bertil KnudsenSep 19, 2021 17:58274841

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