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Our dear Renox صلى الله عليه وسلم and الترجمة and التفسير/التأويل and آلِ is علي!

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Sep 24, 2021 at 10:22

Our dear Renox seems to have no clue that the question of الترجمة and التفسير/التأويل is as old as Islam. The very smart Persian mufasereen realized that the Qur'an is an Arabic text. This is why the very early "translations" of the Qur'an are Arabic to Persian translations. So what did they do? They wrote the Arabic text in big letters and underneath it they wrote the translations of each word from Arabic to Persian in small Persian letters. But this poses a problem and in the words of Michael Cook:

"the hegemony of the Arabic original is visually unmistakable in this setting and the Arabic word order overrides the normal syntactic patterns of Persian where the verbs come early in the verses instead of at the end."

And the end result is Persian "word salad." But again this is an Arabic text and the Persian text only helps but you still have to reconstruct the sentence in Persian. Did you get this one?

So when I translate (not explain) what Ibn 'Abbas the cousin of your so called prophet said in Arabic I have to translate the words even if the syntax would sound as "word salad." Did you get this one our dear Renox?

Now go and read in Lisan al-'Arab the difference between between الترجمة and التفسير/التأويل

Oh the Arabic? Hint: translation app of Sheikh google صلى الله عليه وسلم

You are only embarrassing yourself

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