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American Democracy is the Result of Understanding Freedom Worth Sacrificing for - Not in Appeasement

Reader comment on item: How Ukrainian Refugees Could Inadvertently Erase the West
in response to reader comment: Re-Reading Hege (if not Marx) on (on former Greek) Dialetics

Submitted by M Tovey (United States), Sep 30, 2022 at 19:21

Elsewhere in this forum, discussion of refugee status from a global persective comes with a caveat that not all to seek asylum are equal in the eyes of those from asylum is sought. Freedom is not dispensed freely.
America, currently being targted internationally as a destination, is not necessarily the best place to seek refuge from adversarial affinities of the places of birth, but the alternatives may not be all that readily available and the ease of entry erases any arguments of difficulties. Therein lays the ease of socialistc progressive ideological determinations that all are welcome: just remember who welcomed you when the repayment of favors are called. America is a favored destination for the essential reason of freedom.
Democracy, American styled, has advantages that the others do not appreciate neither emulate.
Communism (not Marxist, but Stalinist) is America's challenge still, the effects of McCarthyism notwithstanding, since all arguments that would be debated as to which is better are always caught in terms of the definition of a free democratic socirty never being accepted by either side. Thus, East Germany was considered by title only as 'democratic,' while not truly engaged in that expression of terms.
Religion was thought to be the central argument for setting up America; instead, it was a matter of faith. As such, the Artilces of Confederation was replaced by the Constitution for its language being more compatible to the Declaration of Independence. Again, Europe, especially Britain, was disinclined to agree and sent its best efforts to retrieve that which they thought they were entitled to, but could not recover. Religion lost again. However, the seeds of dissent were nevertheless sown.
It took almost a hundred years for the generational attempts to harvest a differing sense of revolution to become a rebellion tot eh republic and much was sacrificed to forestall the inevitable we see today.
Did the educational processes that embraced the dissent to religion that Marx espoused finally take hold?
Maybe; or may be not. Reader Robert expresses a version of an altering opinion here:
[However, unlike us Americans who followed in the footsteps of the British with Bertrand Russell giving us Logical Analysis and/or Analytic Philosophy and we honored Willard Van Orman Quine, the Europeans did not have an aversion to Karl Marx.]
Is this why America was compelled by progressive thinking to undertake defending American style democracy in places that did not want, nor wanted to recognize American democracy, only reluctantly doing so after the American victories that set them free; if only briefly.
They have yet to reconcile those differing thoughts; thus the United Nations cannot be comfortable in New York and many Americans resent the inference that Europe can handle democracy better.
Marx is laughing, if that could be imagined, since the progressive mentality is now engrained, even in New York; and Stalin is sitting across the table with his vodka with a smirk.

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