This changes nothing

Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Jan 10, 2007 at 20:09

Sam J. wrote:

"1. If you read again, I talked about converting Muslims in the West to Islam, ie Muslims already in Europe, USA, Australia etc. Peacefully that is."

That changes nothing. Muslims kill those who change faiths even within non-Muslim countries. Muslims are still hateful of Christianity and Judaism here in the West. Muslims still attend mosques and madrassahs here in the west where they are fed anti-American hatred and propaganda. How precisely do you plan to implement this miraculously violence-free conversion? No actual information on how you plan to execute this idea.

"It will take time, money and effort. But it will be worth it. It has to be combined with imposing severe restrictions on further legal Muslim immigration."

I'm still waiting for a detailed explanation of a workable plan which would actually convert significant numbers of Muslims to Christianity. I suspect I'll never get an answer, because I believe you've never actually sat down and thought about how unworkable your idea is.

"We will also need to marginalise the Muslims in the West, and place additional pressure on them to convert. This "discrimination" may not sound appealing, but it's a lot better than the gruesome killing that non Muslims are enduring."

Once again...details, my good man, details! Put pressure on them how? Marginalize them how?

"Re the conversions: Education is everything, we have to show to them why theirs is no proper religion but simply a cult."

And yet again...how? People such as myself, Susan, Gellin and Infidellin, etc have been posting information here showing how Islamism is a violent death cult and not a proper religion and challenging Muslims and Muslim apologists to step up the the plate and show us how and where Islam is a good thing, and all we see coming back is nonsense, obfuscation, and evasion. Muslims are simply unable to objectively and critically examine..., so there's no way to reach them. ... You need to demonstrate things to them, that's how they learn. We need to give them the choice of reforming or being deported, denounced, and destroyed. Only when their will is broken and they are forced to face the cold hard reality that their lives will always be miserable and that there will be no outlet for their violence outside of their own little civil wars will they finally reform islam.

"2. Regarding Muslims in the Middle East and Islamic majority nations, your observations are right. The solution is to encourage Shia versus Sunni fighting. When the dust settles, we should convert them by slowly encroaching on all sides, and start converting from the periphery inwards. Sure, they will try to invoke the death sentence, but it will not work because we will declare conversions legal in the peripheral areas where the Muslims are in minority. If they riot, we will counterattack by bombing from the air. There is no way violence can be avoided."

I agree on that part. I would have all Muslims deported from Western countries by force, I would close the borders of states bordering those Islamic states, and let them kill one another as long as they like. If they try to escape into Western lands, we bomb them off the face of the earth.

"Let's not be overawed by this gigantic task. But it can be done. Noah, join us and help us. We cannot do it alone, and we need all the help possible."

Believe me, I'm doing my part. But many like you are coming up with "answers" that have no details as to how to proceed. The mass conversions in America for example...how exactly do you accomplish that? I see no way to do that peacefully that would not take many generations to accomplish, and we don't have time for that.

"Also all other religions Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and Christians have to stand united.'

Here I agree again. The stronger we stand together, the less power Islam has.

But remember, it all has to start with the core, and that core is Islam. The Koran. We need our president and other leaders to stand fearlessly and speak the truth. To say that Islam is indeed a violent death cult that needs to reform itself. To say that Muslims must take a very active role in purging their religion of violence before we will allow them to live amongst civilized people.

The problem these days is that no one has the balls to speak the truth. To this day I turn red with rage thinking about Bush getting on tv the day after 9/11 and claiming that Islam is "the religion of peace" and that it is being hijacked by a few radicals.

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