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again full of mistakesReader comment on item: How the West Could Lose Submitted by susan (Italy), Jan 11, 2007 at 18:07 "This website features a mountain of evidence, historical facts, references and statements as to why ISLAM is dangerous and must be despised. (From the western point of view). As a business executive (leader in that sense) I train and motivate my teams to never come to me with a list of problems alone, but to come prepared with potential (feasible) solutions to them.. I do not see obstacles, but try to see challenges with opportunities to grow, learn and improve." we offered you solutions, your solution is KNEE JERKING, our is not. "So I ask again - why do we not see suicide bombings on the same scale as for instance in ISRAEL? They have the means, the numbers, the opportunity and according to you, the motive. " ...why do they need to use that tactic when in some western states they can take the power by numbers? one of your dear friends from turkey said: During an official meeting on Islamic-Christian dialogue, an authoritative Muslim person, speaking to the Christians participating, at one point said very calmly and assuredly: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you." (In a blunt statement that attracted some attention in Europe,1 Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, a 72-year-old Italian who is archbishop of Izmir, Turkey, wrote the Synod of European Bishops on October 13, 1999, that Muslims have a "clear program of expansion and re-conquest" of Europe.) 100 years ago, the muslim world was poverty ridden (as it is now) and international help wasn't as strong as today, so many of the fruit of their constant breeding would go to waste. Nowadays thanks to petro-dollars, emigration, abuse of western welfare and our medical help in their countries there's a demographic assault that finds no comparison anywhere, not in china, where intelligent chineses understood that over-population is bad, not in south america, where slowly women are trying to find their place in society and not breed like animals, not even in christian africa, not in buddist countries. So why destroying all our buildings when they will expropriate us of in the near future? You are aware that the muslims are only able to destroy, therefore, to avoid living in a country of ruin they simply wait when the 3% of muslims will become 55% of which a good 51% would vote for many aspects of sharia law to be implemented. By that time, intimidation, harassment, poverty will have already scared the rest of non-muslim population and as for LEBANON, the rich will emigrate possibly to northern pole and the rest will claim themselves dhimmi. They saw it working in Lebanon, they saw it working in Indonesia, Malaysia (where ethnic chinese non-muslims were the most productive group of people in the country), Turkey. They saw this pattern too well. Why waste energy for what they consider THEIRS already? Secondly, how much time will it pass from the suicide bombings in fast food in america before it's declared free open season hunting for muslims. They know they cannot play with fire too much unless they reach a good 40%. "According to your own logic, enough of them are here already, perfectly hidden amongst us all, integrated and networked. I ask again- What are they waiting for?" French police face 'permanent intifada On a routine call, three unwitting police officers fell into a trap. A car darted out to block their path, and dozens of hooded youths surged out of the darkness to attack them with stones, bats and tear gas before fleeing. One officer was hospitalized, and no arrests made. One small police union claims officers are facing a "permanent intifada." Police injuries have risen in the year since the wave of violence. ------------------- Muslims in france are 10-15% What more evidence do you need? 70% of all people jailed in europe are muslim, even in countries when they amount to 2-3% of population. In USA muslims are 2-3%. Let them reach 10-15% and by that time they will have people in congress granting them special laws "Destabilization of the Western world, its economy and structures, anarchy and chaos via mass panic and terror. Unification of all the Muslim world towards total domination. Right?" no, even the barbarians that invaded the roman empire when it was on the verge of collapsing they used force, but they didn't destroy everything. As a matter of fact they had good use of the streets, buildings and structures of the old roman empire, so much that those things EXISTS even today. But what do I know, the barbarians converted to christianity! "Well, if ISLAM could be seen as one integrated movement containing all three categories, they'd be ready now, as we speak, to commence large scale terrorist activities and thus destabilize the western world." and how many nuclear bombs would fall on their heads to decimate them? and you are aware that the first strike will be for mecca and medina? why risking all this when they are breeding like cats and dogs? After 9-11 we didn't use any proper reitaliation, but this doesn't mean we cannot use it in the future. "As outlined in another submission, a soft target/low tech/low logistics/complexity strategy (a la beltway sniper – but with the support of their media ( Al Jazeera and the likes) and conducted by a few hundred such fanatics) would literally paralyze the country and achieve exactly their main objective of utter terror and subsequent destabilization. So I ask again – why haven't they found these few hundred recruits out of the huge pool of domestic Muslim immigrants yet and still try to infiltrate radicals from abroad?" if they act this way their dirty game is exposed everywhere. Thanks to hitler, an attempt to genocide on a whole country such as the usa, attacking civilians would drop all the attempt at portraying it as the religion of peace they brag about, and would jeopardise what they have been planning for 1400 years. Why they are not using locals? EASY: moving ordinary muslim usa citizens back and forth from USA to pakistan, where the training camps are is SUSPICIOUS, while the jordanians, moroccans, saudis etc don't have to bother about it. BTW, the only 9-11 attacker that didn't die was a native FRENCH muslim. Another belgian woman converted to islam and blew up herself in iraq. So it happens. And you are in denial. You keep on writing about the mythical 80% moderate muslims, but you mistake their indifference as moderation. It's just indifference, the same indifference that some germans had while watching the trains for concentration camps. They didn't do anything but they didn't try to stop it either. About the oklahoma bombing you are wrong again "The Chicago Tribune reported that the CIA spokesman had acknowledged on the record that the agency is involved in the search. There is a description that the car bombs that were used at the Murrah building are favored by Islamic fundamentalists. It discusses in Exhibit B that Oklahoma City has an Islamic Center and the state is home to about 5,000 Muslims. It goes on to say that a television documentary linked Oklahoma City to an Islamic fundamentalist network operating out of New Jersey, Chicago and Texas. Mr. Steven Emerson, a terrorism expert and executive producer of "Jihad in America" said -- and I don't think there is any question Mr. Emerson is an expert on terrorism -- that Oklahoma City has been the venue for several Islamic conventions, including one in 1992 where 6,000 people cheered calls for killing of Jews and infidels. This meeting, incidentaly, took place four blocks from the Murrah building. " "Behavioral patterns created by centuries of oppression do not vanish overnight, just because one lives in a free country. To not draw attention, live quietly in anonymity is a form of conditioning which takes several generations in a free country to overcome" And how do you wash away 1400 years of indoctrination that they are the master race and everybody else is their rightfully slave? "We should here in the USA revise our so-called Freedom of speech . I mentioned Germany as an example where that has been done fairly successfully with the Neo- Nazi movement." are you that naive that restricting freedom of speech will prevent those from calling us apes and pigs and call for the death of israel? On the contrary, it will plague people like pipes, spencer, bostom, that are trying to warn us of this danger. Haven't you noticed that freedom of speech is a ONE WAY STREET ALREADY. Draw a cartoon and instantly they burn churches, kill nuns, harass christians, call for another holocaust on us. "Any kind of public display of inflammatory fanatism ( e.g your posters in the storefront) must and could be outlawed. Preachers of all breeds and religions trying to propagate (violent, militant) fanatism should be expatriated, even, if they are naturalized." ... It's not going to happen, your nancy pelosi, your newly elected muslim keith ellison will scream ISLAMOPHOBIA! "Switzerland with its century old stability is a perfect example for such a multi-cultural, yet perfectly functioning and balanced society." Listen,...I live in Italy and I know of Switzerland more than you. The only thing that prevents Switzerland to be overrun is that it takes 30+ years to get citizenship and the locals have the final word on who's getting in. They make polls on the population of the village to see if they accept mr ahmed from palestine. And guess what? muslims are always rejected! Establish such a thing in any other western countries and you are labelled RACIST. Switzerland has an easy game, they are already considered the most conservative, racist people in europe and THEY LOVE IT, as much they love their freedoms. But they had problems with immigrants too. Their strong point is UNLIKE US, they are not afraid to be judged! They don't spell stupidity , saying the lutheran church has its faults! "Because it is not only the mumbo jumbo right thing to do, the ethical responsibility of the strong to help the weak," well, me and noah believe that all people are equal. You, the mumbo jumbo relativist think that we are "strong" and they are weak. While we grant mental capabilities. You don't grant them mental capabilities. Typical. Dont' forget to label US as racist. "Assuming that all the voices in this website intend to help preserve our progress, democracy and liberty, I would offer that we do need to be pro-active and do something, if we want to survive. Just standing passively by and demanding them to reform, ain't gonna cut it, Noah. We must use the key weapon of militant ISLAM against them: Propaganda, Marketing, PR. " we didn't treated like mentally challenged the japaneses, the germans, the italians, we left them on their own to reform and clean their own shit. Why you grant muslims super treatment? are you going to clean their house too? We are not the source of all problems, we are not the supermen that out of our own time, money, resources, people have to CLEAN THEIR CRAP Also, by saying this, you also consider the other non-muslim immigrants (chineses, africans, east europeans, south americans etc) like second class human beings, because you don't grant them the same attentions you grant to muslims. "Oh, just overlook their violent history, right? OUR OWN? well, our kids in schools are indoctrinated that we committed the most evils, as your ignorant statements proves, so I can hope that we will teach that we will hammer the same way the muslim world on the same matters. WE ARE IN TOTAL DENIAL ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. KEEP IT IN MIND EVERYTIME YOU MEET AN ARMENIAN. Probably many armenians are in USA right now and you still want to treat them like second class immigrants because you have to protect your precious muslims! So they will be killed twice, by the muslims first and by their appeasers second. "There is a fundamental difference between condoning or excusing and explaining or looking for the root cause" you are CONDONING big time, talk to someone of greek descent. The ROOT problem is ISLAM. "For over a year have I worked up in San Francisco with a Muslim owned company. Predominantly Muslim co-workers. During this year I have not heard one single snide or even ironic joke or remark against Israel, America or me with Jewish background after all. Not one single racist joke. I can not say the same for any other company I have worked for." first you sounded like this expert of the muslim world, now you admit you only worked with them once and they were already settled in san fran. ... They were flattering you because they understood you are a USEFUL IDIOT. You are an INFIDEL, they are allowed to LIE Go read your description here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot and here's the description of taqqyia http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/02/video_explains_it_all_altaqiyy.html
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