To Mo on purity answered

Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Jan 13, 2007 at 03:46

Allright, you say Ottoman rule was impure. What about Muwaid rule, what about Abbasid rule, were they pure? The only rule the Sunni's are agreed on as pure is that of the four 'rightly' guided Caliphs. How is it that the Prophet, the Koran and the rightly guided ones could not create a rightly guided system of governance that would remain pure. The guidance that Allah himself revealed in a Book that could not be corrupted to the seal of prophets did not prove effective for 1400 years and till today no pure Islamic rule can be found (with a few 'honourable' exceptions like Taliban in Afghanistan, and maybe Aurangzeb in India?)

Mo, I plead guilty of saying women were killed for showing their ankles. But was I wrong in saying that girls were slaughtered for not wearing the hijab (Algeria), people are condemned to death for blaspheming/apostacy (Afghanistan, Pakistan). You have nothing to say about that. Are you condoning such killings. You have gone on about the ankle thing.

About peaceful lands you give "...example, Somalia, Afghanistan..." I can also give you the example of another pure ideology which was enforced by Pol Pot in Cambodia. The result was peace, peace of the dead. Was Afghanistan any different? As I said to keep something pure you have to constantly go on cleaning (killing) the impurities that tend to collect. In your pure Islamic nations they wash off the impurities with the blood of humans.

You say: "The mentioned groups may be experts in killing, however the same can be described to your own men, who are more equipped in killing and have killed more people that those that I have mentioned".

My sense of what you are say here is: If your father murders two persons and mine only one my father is not guilty of murder.

Noah Wilk has already answered many points, but let me take you up on your reply to purity as demonstrated in the Koran. I am unable to make sense of your response. I quoted a verse about Allah asking the prophet to take alms to purify and sanctify wrong-doers. It is your reading that the alms are not to the ruler but rather to the poor. But your clear book does not make that clear. At least what is clear is that you can purchase purity and sanctify yourself by giving charity if you are capable of it. Like funny money it seems funny purity and sanctity to me.

Also you read in the same ayat Allah asking the Prophet to pray for the sinner who gives charity. This would be against Koranic principle of no intercession being accepted by god on anyone's behalf.

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