Let people decide.

Submitted by Mo (United Kingdom), Jan 13, 2007 at 15:19

I see this to go nowhere. I am not here to debate, nor am I here to win some sort of an ideological battle, albeit in a hypothetical manner. What I have previously said I think still stands, regardless of your attempts to undermine my claims and points.

I believe people who are searching for the truth can see for themselves what is plain and what is not. I would point out though that I am here to make clear and propagate Islam as it is, though there are many people in this site that try to do exactly that; propagate their version of Islam, they are entitled to do this. As I said, I am not here to debate with you and try to win a hypothetical debate.

To those who are reading my posts, I will leave it for you to decide who is right in their arguments and claims.

Your reference to the reports on the penal system enforced by the Taliban and Iran, I cannot make excuses for them, but can however remind you of the punishments for adultery and homosexuality, it death and death, respectively. The enforcement is subjected to evidence through the legal justice system. The Prophet (p) said "If there is ever a doubtful case, refrain from implementing the penalty"

My claims about security still stand, if there are individual Muslim who misuse their trust then God will judge them accordingly, there is a hadith fro the Prophet (p) that says, "if even a dog's leg is entangled with sticks and branches and cannot get loose free, the fate of the dog will be upon the shoulders of the emir who governs the Islamic State" The sense of security must be felt throughout the lands, it is up to the government to make sure it does, and there is not excuse. Umar bin Al Khattab used to make sudden visits to countries that had a governor in place; he would ask the people how the ruler ruled, rather than asking the ruler. This emphasises the importance of leadership in Islam in providing safety and security to the masses.

Why do you refer to Hamas? They were stripped of their resources and are severely under funded. They can't even pay off their civil servants. Referring to the 3 dead; there is no proof that it was Hamas that perpetrated these crimes.

My claims about good works; I meant "good" you know "good" if killing innocent people is good in your eyes, then that's your problem, but I intended it to mean noble works such as helping, giving charity, having good character, praying etc. you know "good," you have to stop manipulating my words.

I think if unbiased people, those free from prejudices, read my articles and yours respectively, they would know who is in line with reality. While I refer to Islam, you refer to Muslims.

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".