To Noah. Harshness revisited.

Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Jan 26, 2007 at 08:02

"They need to either adapt or be killed. All of them."

That sent a cold shiver down my spine.

"...if you believe in that nonsense about 85%-90% of them being peaceful...."

If even 10% are peaceful, just a ballpark figure, could be as low as 5, that is something to work with. I don't want to dredge up dead history, but the Inquisition was not so long go, and how many in the Catholic world would have approved of and cheered the burnings, tortures, and converting the infidels as you seem to believe of the Muslims today. This is relevant as Islam as practised today will soon be on the dust heap of yesterday.

"....It is only our duty to protect ourselves from Islam."

Certainly it is your duty. But by driving Muslims into a corner you make them even more dangerous like any cornered being.

"...I prefer to focus on the actual threat in a powerful manner.." The blundering blunderbuss Bush did do that and the threat has only grown. I guess your response would have been even more powerful but i hate to think of its fallout.

"...or that by some miracle that defies 1,400 years of history, Islam will suddenly reform itself." They had their Mutazilites, and some Sufi sects. They have Ziauddin Sardar and Fazlur Rehman, sure they are are not well appreciated but they are there.

"You clearly have never been in a life and death combat. Morals and ideology go right out the window. Survival is what matters. I am not at all swayed by the mewling about how deporting Muslims is "un-American". What is un-American is allowing a subversive enemy to come conquer our land through legal, political, migratory, and propaganda techniques...."

You have not mentioned by force of arms. Was it deliberate? Was what happened to the Red Indians "un-American"? You have heard that nice little phrase "the only good injun is a a dead injun". And now all the injuns are dead aren't they? Except a few good noble savages in the reservations all dolled up in their feathers and paint, reduced to doing the rain dance instead of their war dances for the pleasure of the newly-minted owners of the lands on which their oh so recent ancestors danced.

The drift of your argument seems to be "the only good Muslim is a dead one". Well Islam does massacre but they are more into converting, which may only be a bit better than being killed, at least for the women among them, On two of earth's largest land masses (not forgetting Australia) the West's ideals were established, but on the bones of injuns and aborigines. Morals and ideology (religion) did go out the window, but now it is all hunky dory again. But let us move on it is the dead past. "Stuff happens" in history, to quote a famous defender of American values.

"...God-given right to to come infiltrate our society, to preach hate against us..."

God gave you the right to be in America and Australia did he not? You were invited to these places were you not, just as the Muslims say they were invited when the misguided saw the glorious light of the Koran. God gave you the right to just infiltrate and hate them so much that you annihilated them, right? In which part of United States Constitution does it say you can do that. But let us move on, it is the dead past.

".And again, it would be up to the Muslims whether or not they endured nuclear annihilation, not us. As long as they left us alone, we'd leave them alone to do what they will in their Islamic hellholes."

Well lets say Bin Laden managed to convince the Muslims to endure nuclear annihilation. How many nations are you going to nuke. Haven't you heard of nuclear fallout. Neither your god nor theirs, who so loves death, can ensure it will affect only the muslims. As you say "end of story" for most of us.

There is the nuclear-armed Kim Jong-what leading millions of starving Koreans. There are several nukes under Musharaff's hat and fundamentalist Muslims of a kind you have not dreamed of in the US waiting to deprive him of his cap. You start deporting, sequestering muslims in the West and you will have a feeding frenzy at the fundamentalist watering holes. Remember we live on the same planet which is growing smaller by the day. That old saw about the pen being mightier than the sword comes to mind. You are on this blog, so I suspect your heart is in the right place.

"Wrong. Gandhi's ahimsa (peaceful non-resistance) worked on the civilized British..."

True about Nazi-like regimes. But Gandhi's methods live on in Martin Luther King, Mandela, the Burmese lady and India. From what I have read of your posts you are not happy with your government including the voting public. What method do you propose to overturn it?

"Flowers which must be fought for and sacrificed for.."

True. True. True. Not by drawing first blood, firing the first shot. Otherwise your flowers will wilt and may never bloom again. I agree just a belief , but a belief I am happy to broadcast.

"First, I am not advocating the annihilation of 1.2 billion people.."

Perhaps not but what happens when an irresistible force (the West)comes up against an immovable object (Muslim faith). Your words "They need to either adapt or be killed. All of them." What people like me are trying to do is loosen the object's foundations so that it will keel over. You seem to think it is an impossible task, history will speak. If we fail you have the immovable object to deal with.

"That's meaningless psychobabble. Show me how my ideas violates the American spirit. Show me how it goes against the values America was founded upon..."

Yes, psychobabble. The American spirit certainly spirited the Indians out of two continents. And referring to your fellow citizens in the reservations, right it does not seem to go against American values.

Remember Noah, Islam's advances were always against very similar despotic forces, the kings and potentates of the age. Since the collapse of the Ottomans where do you see any triumph for Islam. As your posts always remind us they all live in hellholes and cesspools of corruption, poverty and what should be of great comfort to you, Muslims have been intellectually emasculated by their imams. Islamic triumphs are only in the minds of Muslims. The present day muslims live in the reflected "glory" of their dead past. What are you afraid of, Noah.

Noah, I feel that given your presence on these blogs and eagerness to challenge and answer all the Muslims you perhaps have a niggling hope that you won't have to do all that you claim you want to do, including pushing the button, to the Muslims. Keep going. I enjoy many of your hard hitting words, sadly I also cringe at some of them.

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