michel still in oblivion

Submitted by susan (Italy), Jan 28, 2007 at 09:03

"I decided a long time ago, to always look at the glass from a half full perspective. Even if the glass is only 10% full. "

your problem is not looking at the 10% full glass, your problem is that you believe that your 10% full glass is 90% full.

"And who has the arrogance to make that call? What's enough? 1%? 10%, where do you draw the line?"

just by doing what you don't do michel: following the news.

The critical point of % of muslim in every land is around 5%. Such as in france. You have problems with 3-4% such as in UK because the british seem to be really knee jerked. You have smaller problems when the muslims are 2% of population or less, but you hear stories of poligamy, home violence, mistreatment of children, creation of madrassas with imams preaching the destruction of the west.

Other countries with already 10% of muslims have a problem, Philippines where muslims are already asking for their own territory (they feel strong enough to perform terrorism and to have the land due to the country lack of stamina).

When the % of muslim is already 40% it is already a cesspool like lebanon, malaysia etc.

This is simply following the news (not mainstream media of course) and making 1+1=2

I'd say the critical point for muslim is 1-2% of population, but it depends on the country. If you consider that muslims in Czech republic are less than 1% but they have been caught already in their mosques preaching death to christians you can see that even ONE muslim is a problem.

Why you don't see the same in buddist temples? or Sikh temples? or hindu temples?

For your information, since you lack a great deal of knowledge, in "moderate" countries like Morocco the STATE has to OK the sermon of the imam in ALL MOSQUES of the COUNTRY.

Do you see the state checking the sermon of the priest? of the indian guru?

No, and the reason is that even muslim countries know that islamism... needs to be constantly controlled.

They are too weak to ban it because they know that without islam they are nothing.

"Your methods are pushing an entire culture into the underground. Banning Islam? How would you try to enforce that? How to deport millions, if the US does not even know, where they live? We do not have any statistics which are more than estimates and extrapolations. Our laws do not permit to ask for "religion"."

strange because your beloved muslim countries ALL write religion on the ID card, some countries have to put a badge on jews and christians because they can easily spot them when they search for a slave.

Is satanism banned? granted that satanism is nothing compared to islam, Germany banned scientology. So you see it's possible to do it.

"How would you hence segregate people who practice their religion underground? Apart from the fact that I strongly believe that it is the wrong approach, it is not feasible."

How come the ...muslims could do all of that, genocide christians, deport them, force conversions on them, make them practice religion underground etc, and we cannot do it? De facto in EVERY muslim country there is religious apartheid, worse than the aparteid in south africa.

"Enforce assimilation a la Switzerland, prevent ghettos and catering to minorities. "

look what's happening in your switzerland. But I bet you didn't know, you are too busy seaching for the unicorn, the yeti and the moderate muslim

Muttenz, Basle – A bad joke or is there more behind this? The catholic church in Muttenz, Basle, has been repeatedly soiled with fecals for the last two weeks by teenagers.
A new day, a new shocker: They soiled the altar with excrements. They urinated into the baptism font, destroyed glassware on the donation table and destroyed vegetation.

The perpetrators: A gang of 12- and 13-year olds. One boy is Swiss (nationality), two are from former Serbia-Montenegro and two are from Bosnia. None of the boys is of Christian faith.

How come you never hear of a hindu desercrating a christian church? or a buddist? or a jew?

"Banning of ISLAM and /or deportation on a massive scale however are strong (I call them extreme) measures. I disagree as to the "success of those" in the past."

the whole maghreb was christian and christians have been deported, killed or forced to convert. turkey did the same, plus the kind genocide of armenians, and this happened only 50 years ago.

Afghanistan was partly buddhist. buddhists have been deported, killed, forced to convert. The list is a mile long, maybe I should write it out for you so you can read it next time you sit in your posh 5 star hotel.

"Okay then – take a passage out of the Koran and see, how many different interpretations there are. I dare to offer the hypothesis that 10 different Muslims from 10 different environments will come up with 10 differing meanings."

you thanked the guy called MO for being moderate, yet he wrote that no muslim can criticize another muslim even if he is bin laden killing millions of people.

Is that enough moderate for you to knee jerk?

There is NOT a single muslim here that will condemn the passages of the koran for what they are, they will all twist the subject into

1) those people are not acting in the islamic way

2) you christians did worse

3) the infidel cannot interpret the koran

4) it's not true that muslim did this or that, it's all jew fabrication

If you like the above excuses, you are already at your feet.

"Superficial? Speak for yourself. Representative? Probably not. But am I prepared to putting these friends of mine into the same pot as Osama? Hell no!"

you are so guillible, can I sell you the colosseum?

Have you seen the movie exodus? Paul Newman (a jew) was friend with this muslim arab guy, they have been friends since forever, Newman even saved his life once, and when israel was created and the mufti of jerusalem being the peaceful person that he is ordered to kill every jew, this muslim guy said to Newman to leave his house, because he wouldn't do anything to harm him but he could not go against "his people".

Michel WAKE up, you are not THEIR PEOPLE, unless you convert, and you sound like it. You are INFIDEL

"Removing the threat of Islam would in my analogy seriously weaken America to say the least. Removing Islam by the means you promote would set precedence in any sense of the word and belay everything this country stands for. That therapy would make our founding fathers rotate in their graves."

the founding fathers were not wusses, jefferson had clear ideas on how the mohameddans are. Clearer than yours.

"I think we found the culprit, Noah. You measure Islam by the book. I measure Islam by the people who practice it."

who? the beheaders in Thailand? the murderers in Mindanao? the one burning churches and christians in indonesia? in Malaysia, the ones exterminating hindus? the ones killing serbs in kosovo? or chechenia? or sudan? or the ones practicing slavery in saudi arabia, or mali or mauritania? or the ones in moderate morocco, tunisia, lybia, algeria, that promote hatred for christians, ostracise the few converts, cannot give permission to build churches if NOT for the posh and spoiled turists like yourself?

"So what, if they practice only part of it. It is exactly those Muslims, I am not willing to condemn, and I believe that there are many more than you see. (here domestically)"

that's because you never bothered to ask the right questions, but being ignorant on everything that's what happens.

plus you are misogynist as them, I told you ,they already consider you a convert, or a step close.

"No Problem there, if they are. And, if it is a group of militant fanatics and not an entire people. Rounding up an entire segment of our population, just because they are Muslims ( Hence discriminate for religion), then either force them to swear off their religion or be deported, even, if they have not been proven guilty of destabilization of the state, treason or murder, is, I can not see it any other way, the way of a totalitarian regime of the worst kind."

how come that 50+ muslim country do this all the time and you have no problem with it?

"You came evidently to the realization, that I will not waiver or loose my cool, and your frustration becomes evident. I do not think that I have (intentionally) ever insulted you but tried to argue respectfully and unemotionally "

you insulted myself, with misogynist, sexist stuff, you lost your muslim cool.

"Just a word. We progress, we evolve - hopefully for the better. One day human nature to wage war or engage in any form of violence must be overcome, otherwise sooner or later a bio weapon will be released which will extinct us. Will we evolve? Will we mature as a species?"

newsflash for you: you cannot evolve if you are exterminated. The christians of maghreb cannot evolve, the buddist of afghanistan cannot evolve.

"In a cruel way your logic is stringent. Yet, I can't help myself to ask, if the "ugly Muslim" you and Susan depict is really the majority here in the US?

You say it is - I say it ain't."

They don't show their true colors until they are a certain number, see my explanation of muslim % above. Suggest you also to see the movie "never without my daughter" with sally field. Rent it while at marriot somewhere.

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