For Mo and the Qur'an and Arabian ethnocentrism in the Qur'an and the Qur'an indeed says that islam is only the religion of the Arabs

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 3, 2007 at 07:56

My dear Mo, you are realizing that you depend on translations of a book that is written in a language that you do not know and you are debating tarjamat al-ma3na (the translation of the meaning of the Qur'an) assuming that these translations are accurate. Do you see how very flawed is your approach? Let me tell you the worst translations are those by Pakistanis including Yusuf Ali. Rashad Khalifa (yes he was a nut case) and Dawood's translations are native Arabic speakers and their translations are very good.

The subject of today: is islam really the religion of the Arabs?And evidence from the Qur'an.

Now I have few point to make first and i will be returning back to therse points later on:

1. Rule number one: "al-tafseer lel sahaba wa al-ta'weel lel 3ulama/jami3." And because both you and I are not sahaba of Muhammad this is all ta'weel. (as a matter of fact we have no extant tarjamat al-ma3na from Muhammad's sahaba).

2. Keep in mind the doctrine of al-nasikh wa al-mansukh.

3. I will not be quoting the hadith as I believe that all the hadith is bogus unless proven otherwise. I suspect that you are aware that he Islamic tradition tells us that Allah sent (as per Qur'an 14:4) 120,000 prophets to all the peoples of the world and each prophet spoke the language of his people and was only sent to his people as a nadhir/rasul/nabi/shahid.

4. Stop your bogus "context" thing.

5. I will be transliterating and if vocalizing (I3rab and all) I will let you know

6. Man/woman kind means al-bashar, people means al-nass, qawmuhu means his people/his folks, men means al-rijjal, umma means nation. Rasul means the messenger from Mursal or the sent.

7. The Qur'an claims to be Kirab mubeen written in 3Arabi faseeh.

Now let the fun begin:

1. Q14:4 says: "wa ma arsalna min rasul ila bilisani qawmuhu" Or "we do not send (grammatical aspect) a messenger/prophet (see the nabi/rasul in Suyuti Itiqan) unless (he speaks) in the language of his people."

Notice that Q14:4 is a Sura Makiyya

2. Q13:8 says; "wa likuli qawmin hadi" or "every people/folk has a guide"

Notice that this is a sura that was revealed in Medina.

3. Q10:47 says: "wa likuli umma rasul" or "and for every nation there is a messenger"

Notice that this is a Sura Makiyya.

4. Q35:24 "wa ina min 'umatin illa khala fiha nadhir" Or "and there has not existed a nation without a warner (nadhir) that passed in it"

Notice that this is Sura Makiyya

5. Q28;75 says: "wa naza3na min kuli ummatin shaahidan (notice using 3Irab)" Or "and we pull out of every nation a witness"

Notice that this is a Sura Makiyya.

From all of the above one can conclude (ta'weel) that the qur'an is really saying that: "the ethnocentric position of prophets is both uniform and consistent" (see Wansbrough's QS) and there is no place here for naskh as this ethnocentric character of rasul/nabi is both in suras revealed in both Mecca and Medina.

For more inforamtion about Q14:4 see Suyuti's Itiqan page 106-107

Et voila my dear Mo islam is indeed the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only.

So who is your Bangledeshi's rasul/nabi/nadhir/shahid? It ani't Muhammad for sure!

Now the real question becomes was Muhammad indeed Sayyid al-Mursaleen as the tradition tells us? The answer here is based on the Qur'an and it is: he is not. ...

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