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To Noah: When my lessons are over I will humbly offer you gurudakshina. Your humble sishya.Reader comment on item: How the West Could Lose Submitted by Plato (India), Feb 12, 2007 at 05:16 "Michel...er...I mean Plato, you have so much to learn!" Noah, I have learned so much from you. I have learned that my real name is Michel. I have learned that you have the Mother of all Plans to save the world from the terrors of Islam. I have learned that WHEN you say that if the Muslims stop exporting THEIR oil they have signed their own death warrant YOU ARE NOT advocating going to war to steal their oil for the good of civilisation. My suspicion is you got this idea from the Prophet of Islam signing the death warrants of some old men and women for the greater good of Islam. Muslim is as Muslim does. I have learned that if a Muslim terrorist (even if he is a US citizen) explodes nukes in the US you have a neat little plan which sees only 500 million dead Muslims and we can all live happily ever after with the remaining 800 million Muslims. And since everyone including his uncle and aunt can see the simplicity and urgent need of this plan except me I have to admit I am insanely stupid. I have learned from you that since the Muslims are not civilised they are fair game for the civilised world. The Muslims have dar al harb and dar al Islam. Muslim is as Muslim does. "It never rubbed off on me. I've known that the spoils of war go to the victor long before I even knew about Islam." Yes you are reaping the spoils of war now in Iraq. "You're clearly insane if you believe that my views towards Islam are predicated on obtaining oil." You can't eat the oil. America is the #1 consumer of oil. You'd go broke if you stopped selling it to us, and if you tried that we'd simply kill you and take the oil which we gave you the money and technology to extract in the first place. Muslims should be careful when thinking of using oil as a weapon. It's a sure way to sign your own death warrant. Ask Saddam. "I have been complaining about our oil dependance for decades now. I have criticized the USA and its presidents for failing utterly to wean us off foreign oil dependance." And since none of your presidents have succeeded in doing so, when you need oil it is there for the taking in the ME, just shake a few MOABs at them, and now they also have the example of Saddam at the end of a rope. We are such civilised people here in the West. Can't you see that. Can't you see that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet and if you can't there is my sword to convince you of the truth. Muslim is as Muslim does. " I don't want Middle Eastern oil, I want us to be free of oil dependance" And at this moment we have failed to come up with alternatives so you Muslims better give it to us or else die. "However, they have declared war on us, they are using oil as a weapon (oil that we gave them the ability to access). Hence, to the victors of the war go the spoils." Nobody heard them declare war but since they are uncivilised barbarians who are using (or likely to use) oil as a weapon in this war we are justified in going and taking their oil as war booty. The Prophet Mohammed said those who do not accept Allah and his messenger are in rebellion and must be crushed and booty from them is legal. Muslim is as Muslim does. "I challenge you to find a post made by me where I said that the reason we should be going after Islam is because we need their oil. I'll save you the trouble...I never said that" You pose a challenge and then in the next sentence you save me the trouble of answering, ie you win. The Koran poses a challenge to 'bring a verse like it' and then declares no one can do it. Muslim is as Muslim does. And that challenge is inane. This is what I said: 'Did I hear anyone here say it is not about oil but about saving civilisation.' Rhetorical question, not aimed at anyone in particular but it seems it is close to the mark by the alacrity with which you deny it. " If the Muslims try to use it for blackmail, then that would be an act of war, and I believe we are in that case justified in seizing it." Dictionary.com gives one meaning of blackmail. 'To force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.: The strikers claimed they were blackmailed into signing the new contract.' You threaten to kill them if they don't sell you THEIR oil. THEY are blackmailing you. Muslim is as Muslim does. I am learning Noah, you are a good teacher. I will write to Dictionary.com to correct the error they have made. But then what are you doing in Iraq. You could not find a single atom of uranium or molecule of the chemical arms you supplied to Saddam. The uranium you are sure is safely in Syria, and your government has no clue or won't do anything about it. The chemical weapons Saddam exhausted on the Kurds and Shias. And still you went after Saddam. Oh sure you just wanted to have the pleasure of seeing him dangling on a rope and NOT as a lesson to recalcitrant ME dictators and potentates. Why did you not go after Kim il-jong. Stupid me remembers reading somewhere that the dirt poor nation is not within sniffing distance of any oil. I am too dense in the head to put two and two together. Will somebody here help with an answer. I am afraid my answer may be so hilarious that Noah here will have his iced tea spurting out of his nose and ears. And tea is health drink good for the heart and head, especially the heart. I can't let that happen to him can I? He has taught me so much. "If they want to sell us oil, fine. If not, we get it elsewhere, we learn to stop driving those ridiculous gas guzzling SUVs, we start developing electric cars and alternative energy, as we should have been doing for the last 50 years at least. I have never advocated going to war for the purpose of grabbing oil." "Get ready. It's going to get much worse for you in the coming years. Soon there will be an American flag flying over all the oil fields. You'd go broke if you stopped selling it to us, and if you tried that we'd simply kill you and take the oil which we gave you the money and technology to extract in the first place. Muslims should be careful when thinking of using oil as a weapon. It's a sure way to sign your own death warrant. Ask Saddam." Plato pleads stupidity again for not seeing that what you say in these two verses (sorry paras) is that you are not advocating going to war for the purpose of grabbing oil. Somebody please write a tafsir to clarify the meaning. Noah already has already told me I need correctional courses in reading comprehension. We need a good Muslim mind here. I am not up to it. " Oil is a world resource and should not be controlled by a handful of hateful fanatics who use it as a weapon. Perhaps it should be put under the control of a world body (not the UN though) who can administer it properly and not use it for blackmail. If the Muslims try to use it for blackmail, then that would be an act of war, and I believe we are in that case justified in seizing it." Since oil is a world resource the oil in the US, Russia, Venezuela, wherever should also be under a committe (chaired by the US of course which never been known to blackmail anyone). I am hundred percent with you. Why don't you propose it to your oil companies, your government,Russia. This has the making of a another master plan to save the world of Muslim oil blackmail. And while you are about it include coal, uranium, thorium etc all important energy sources. "I'll keep an eye on your posts, but don't expect a reply until you can come up with an honest and interesting rebuttal instead of whining about Native Americans and oil lies." Native Americans, they keep coming back like the Phoenix. I have not blamed the crime of Native Indian decimation on the present generation. In fact I absolutely absolved the later generations of it. Just as you bring up the crimes of the Muslims of the past I am reminding you that you have a past too. The problem for the Muslims is their crimes are still not in their past. As long as there is a future, which your mother of all strategies is likely to destroy, they can also put their crimes in the past like Christianity. Careful with the iced tea now I have so much to learn from you Professor Noah Wilk. Don't abandon your dumb sishya. (I expect you know what that means since you are into Indian philosophy). I have so much more to learn from you. In the guru-sishya relationship if the guru says: 'You have nothing to offer other than snotty remarks, lies, and distortions', the sishya knows it is just the guru's way of encouragement to learn more. This sishya takes them all as endearing words of endearment. Paraphrasing your great poet Robert Frost: 'The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep. And lots to learn before I sleep, And lots to learn before I sleep.' So much more to learn Professor Noah. I will be back when you decide to give me your next lesson on why I am a redundant worthless poster, spewing out snotty remarks. Hopefully my nose would have replenished its stock of snot that I can spew into this blog whining away about Native Indians, 500 million deaths, death warrants against Iran etc. etc. But now sleep of the ordinary type beckons me. I will sleep soundly knowing that you hawks are on vigil keeping an eagle eye on any sudden move the Muslims lurking in the Islamic darkness out there may make. NB: Gurudakshina - offering by sishya (pupil) to teacher for lessons taught. I did not say in that post that your views on Islam are predicated on oil. The underlined words are the context for what I said. What I said is that your views on oil are predicated on the Islamic principle of booty, you covet your far off neighbour's oil. You are telling the Iranians, Arabs gimme the oil, see what happened to Saddam. And you are telling the rest of the world this is all about saving the world from Islamic terrorism. Actions speak louder than words. Of course that is not part of your strategic plan to tame the terrorists, after all what can you do if the Presidents don't listen to you. Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. 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