If you don't know what you're talking about, then why are you talking?

Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Feb 14, 2007 at 04:51

Hamri wrote:

"1. Islam is not barbaric."

And how, pray tell do you come to that absurd conclusion? You're either delusional, uneducated on the matter, or a liar. Islam has a history of extreme violence and intolerance that goes back 1,400 years! You are clearly dead wrong. Try doing some research.

"2. I do apologize for my circular thinking, I was angry that some people hate all Muslims."

Can you blame them? Muslims exist in two camps...those who perform and endorse acts of terror, and those who stand silently and allow those acts of terror. Maybe if the so-called moderates who supposedly make up 90% of Islam bothered to get off their fat lazy backsides and reform their religion, there would not be people who "hate all Muslims". But again, they prefer to whine about being "victims" instead of fixing the problems they themselves caused.

"3. On the things you said about the Quran being wrong, I do not know where these verses are you have quoted, but I would acknowledge that unless ones reads a complete part of the Quran, a juz, or a sura, one may come away with the wrong impression."

If you don't even know the material you're talking about, then you have no business talking about it! Many of us have read the Koran from cover to cover and we know what it says. You clearly don't. So why comment?

"4. On Islam suceeding: I did not say that the Arab countries being sucessful is a measure of whether Islam is sucessful. Arab countries have been increasingly antidemocratic with examples being Egypt, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. They are not Muslim countries, they are ARAB countries.'

Sigh. Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt subscribe to Sharia law. So does Iran. Saudi Arabia is 100% Muslim, and you claim it's not a Muslim country? What Bizarro world do you live on?

"No state is truly Muslim, because in all states that claim to be Muslim there are corrupt and antidemocratic ideals. Islam is not antidemocratic, and you cannot judge a religion based upon the tribal ways of one race."

Oh, I get it. It's the Arabs' fault, that's what you're saying? How do you explain the violent non-Arab Muslims in Malaysia? In Sudan? In Kosovo? In Iran? No matter what race or nationality Muslims are, they tend to promote violence. So obviously Islam is the problem. You don't see Christian Arabs committing suicide bombings in Israel, do you? You don't see Buddhist Thais cutting off heads and flying airplanes into skyscrapers, do you? Islam is not anti-democratic? Is that why there are no free elections in most of the Muslim world? Do you call Sharia law "democratic"?

Again, you're clueless. Go do some research.

"5. There are people who are Muslims who are misguided. I am not going to pretend there isn't a problem. But as long as you believe it is US vs THEM there will always be people who you hate and people who hate you, and there will never be peace."

And your solution is what? Invite Michel to stage a conflict resolution seminar with Plato leading the Kumbayah chants and a nice cozy group hug at the end? Here's a clue for you...there will always be hatred between people on earth. Has been since Cain killed Abel, and always will be. It's part of the human condition. All we can do is minimize it by removing the causes. And Islam is perhaps the single largest cause of violence on the planet. Beyond that, you are wrong in your assumptions. I for example do not see it as "us against them". I am perfectly willing to peacefully co-exist with Muslims, if they reform their religion and stop trying to dominate the world. Or, I will peacefully co-exist on the same planet with them as long as they confine their savagery and barbarism to their own lands. It's only when they threaten me that I endorse killing them en masse if need be. That's called self defense and is the single most primary law of nature.

"I say that standing firmly on the side of America because I do not believe America is at war with Islam."

You're right, in that America is mainly too stupid and ignorant to acknowledge the war. But you are delusional beyond belief if you deny that a state of war exists between America (and in fact all civilized Western countries) and Islam. And that war was instigated by Islam.

"So if you guys want to blow the horns of the crusaders and throw rhetoric like hand grenades, be assured that you are not fighting Islam, because Islam is not a group, it is a way of living, and those who you attack are not actually preaching real Islam."

...Not the real Islam? Show us what the "real Islam" is then, Hamri. Islam is precisely what I call it. A depraved death cult, a mass psychosis of violence. It is not a religion, it is not a "way of living". It is an evil ideology that needs to be eradicated just as Nazism and Communism are eradicated.

"By the way, Hamri isn't my name, i was making a point because Hamri Al Assad is "scary A-rab muslim" in 24."

Great. A guy who takes his name from a crappy tv show commenting on a subject he admittedly is ignorant of. What is the world coming to?

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