"moderate" muslims pushing propaganda

Submitted by susan (Italy), Feb 14, 2007 at 15:21

"1. Islam is not barbaric. I can't prove it to you, but while you're at it why don't you look up Moorish Spain. The Christian Spanish were the ones who kicked out the Jews and the Muslims the ones who helped them."

Islam is barbaric. Moorish spain was a cesspool of violence and depravity, the christian spanish escaped to north spain to avoid the presence of the barbarians muslims.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm?frm=4205&sec_id=4205

Apologists for Islam never tire of referring to the "Golden Age" of tolerance that supposedly characterized seven centuries of Muslim dominated Spain. This fundamentally flawed assessment draws the wrong conclusion based on fragmentary evidence and distorts the larger picture. It ignores the reality of enormous destruction wrought by the three Arab-Berber Muslim invasions that repeatedly sought to hold on to control and rule over the indigenous peoples of Spain who had been reduced to second class citizens in their own homeland.

"2. I do apologize for my circular thinking, I was angry that some people hate all Muslims. However, the Quran provides much information not available at the time it was revealed about scientific things. It correlates with the Bible and the Torah and from what I understand they are quite similar."

we have passed over the fact that the earth is flat, you haven't and still idolize a rock

"On Islam suceeding: I did not say that the Arab countries being sucessful is a measure of whether Islam is sucessful."

one of the factors in making a country succeed is education and literacy rate. Muslim countries are bottom. Money has little to do with education. Un-democratic Myanmar (former Burma) has got poverty but high literacy rate.

What happens in muslim countries is lack of brain usage. And don't blame your non-democratic leaders, it's the ones you deserve, the ones you vote in when you have the chance.

"They are not Muslim countries, they are ARAB countries. "

Iran is not ARAB, turkey is not ARAB, Pakistan is not ARAB, Indonesia is not arab, yet they are 4 examples of islamic cesspools. Lebanon rated fairly good when it was christian majority, then it became another cesspool islam country. I see a pattern here.

Tell us something we don't already know

Why all muslim countries are NON democratic and cesspoolish? all USA's fault? then USA is the most powerful country of all times because USA can rule not only itself but also 50+ muslim countries. Impressive. Bow down to mighty usa.

"Islam is not antidemocratic, and you cannot judge a religion based upon the tribal ways of one race."

which race?

Iranians/persians are not arabs, as well as south asians as well as afghans

I think you need to clear your mind about what's a race and what's a religion...

"5. There are people who are Muslims who are misguided. "

and they are 1.5 billion

"But as long as you believe it is US vs THEM there will always be people who you hate and people who hate you, and there will never be peace."

let me guess, instead if we play the good dhimmi and pay you the jyza and let you be the master everything will be ok?

"So if you guys want to blow the horns of the crusaders and throw rhetoric like hand grenades, be assured that you are not fighting Islam, because Islam is not a group, it is a way of living, and those who you attack are not actually preaching real Islam."

islam is the religion of the arabs, therefore all non arabs muslims ape the arabs, that's why you have bedouin clothing all over the muslim world, even in russia. So it's a very closed group, a sort of mafia clan, the muslim in indonesia think the same of the muslim in yugoslavia who thinks the same of the moroccans or the iranians.

They all blab about muslim supremacism, how much they had a glorious past, (if robbing caravans, raping and enslaving is a glorious past), exactly like you did here.

I don't see any difference between yourself and the ones blowing up themselves around the world.

Besides, the ones you say "are not practicing real islam" are the far majority.

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