To Noah: You just whine about my whining

Just blame my madrassa type education for my scoring Fs in geography.

I see you are a great believer in karma. So how can you be sure that conversion to Islam in the future is not the karma of the USA. How can you be sure that all those conversions in Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, India were not their karma. Can you say amen to all that.

Let's see how silly I am. Read this from: http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1812.cfm (probably a far-out Christian website, go ahead and laugh at it or look at it as the not-so-far out future )

IS SARS ENGINEERED TO ATTACK ONLY ORIENTALS?

NEWS BRIEF: "China blames U.S. for SARS; Floats theory virus byproduct of bioweapon research", WorldNetDaily, May 9, 2003.

"The deadly SARS pandemic, which has claimed more than 500 lives worldwide, originated as a bioweapon in a U.S. research lab, according to the Hong Kong newspaper Wenweipo."

While the rest of this article sets out to debunk this view, I felt a sense of deja vu. In 1994, I read a very small article in our local paper in which Israeli government officials admitted that Israel was working on a deadly disease that would only attack persons of Arab genetics! This small article was not repeated by any major news network and died a very quick death. Since I was between the time I stopped Cutting Edge Radio (March, 1993) and before I began the Internet ministry (June, 1996), I did not save this article.

However, an Israeli doctor who is a Cutting Edge subscriber, noted this very fact in an email I received this morning, May 15, 2003. I had asked this doctor if it is possible that SARS could be genetically engineered to attack only Orientals. Listen to the reply:

"In my 'heart of hearts' I believe that SARS is genetically engineered to target Chinese (Oriental) genetic materials. You may already know that Israel has been working on such a thing, specific to Arab genetic material. Knowing the military-industrial-medical cartel like I do, I would not be surprised if this isn't a 'test market' for something more sinister regarding other populations. What leads me to suspect that genetics are involved is that China is now trying to impose the death penalty on anyone who has contracted SARS. This lets me know that it is much more sinister than an ugly flu strain."

Yes I am opposed to both. And therefore strange, weak and absurd to your way of strategic thinking. Please read these:

'Viruses of the mind are not some far-off future worry like the sun burning out or the earth being hit by a comet. They are here with us now—have been with us since before recorded history—and they are evolving to become better and better at their job of infecting us. We are being infected in some new ways—television, popular music, sales techniques—but also in very ancient ways—education, religious teachings, even talking to our closest friends. Our parents unwittingly infected us when we were kids. If you have children, chances are you are spreading the viruses to them every day.

Cult religions are springing up everywhere, the result of more and more powerful mind viruses. These cults take control of people's minds and make members engage in bizarre behavior ranging from odd rituals to mass suicide. If you think you're immune, remember: nobody ever set out intentionally to join a cult and have their mind taken over. It's the work of tricky and pernicious mind viruses. And once the founder of the cult starts the process, the virus of the mind takes on a life of its own. http://www.ennex.com/~Marshall/viral/ref/199505-Brodie.asp'

Now the question is which virus are you carrying. I know I carry the Kumbaya virus (remember you and Susan diagnosed me with it). Go on call this insane babbling by a Kumbaya Muslim apologist who has lost it.

So in your opinion the people running the current war are inexperienced without strategic and tactical training which is why you are losing or you have elected an idiot as a president who is not allowing the generals to run the war. Both scenariors are scary. Can the world afford to have America giving it leadership?

I had asked: "Who decides who are the real American warriors. The public vote to decide which general has the most blood-curdling strategies?"

This very dense person wants know whether you have answered my originaly query with your answer.

This is what I wrote: Now you spell it out (no guarantees). A little higher, a little lower or maybe a 100 fold higher. No wonder you are not guaranteeing anything. The only thing you are guaranteeing is that the Muslims will do what you say they will do if your plan is not carried through.

Clever. Very clever. When you can't provide a guarantee ask for a counter guarantee. You are the one who finally admitted that your casualty figures are only good estimates. And those good estimates have 100 fold saftey factors! But you do provide one guarantee, the Muslims are planning and will launch a migratory attack. How did you manage that?

After saying that 100 fold equals the number of Muslims in America what would my saying it could be 1000 fold higher signify. Oh yes I have to spell it out. It means that you are now in the collateral damage territory.

Noah show where I have 'whined' about Muslims being mistreated.

You are also convinced that I am Michel. You prefer one thing but you know with 100% certainty that your preference will not be met so I will take the pre-emptive action that I consider is just so reasonable. And you are sickened by any one who disagrees with your plan. You know that those who oppose it are Muslim apologists, and stupid fools to boot. Again the Koran verse challenging anyone to bring 'a verse like it' comes to mind. The possibility of Muslim reformation is a pipe dream like the Koranic challenge not being met.

Now you want to actively work to deport 2 million people because of your belief that everyone, save the mythical .0001 per cent, are hell bent on destroying you. You have very little to prove that even 50 per cent are bent on subverting you. Except by a rally in Arizona or some poll in Jordan based on which you have this astonishingly clear picture of a Muslim master plan to dominate America.

You keep discovering again and again that I am a whiner. I did give you a plan. A manhattan project to develop a virus which you laughed off and which was given only as a counterpoint to your 'realistic' plan. But now it looks as though the unthinkable can be a reality soon.

I have been wondering about this Hiroshima plot you have been talking about and some googling brought up this site: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203. I can see now why you sound as though you have seen Bin Laden hiding in your neighbour's basement. You really must be a terrified man. My sympathies.

Any time you don't like what anyone else says you think it is whining. Your cold hard facts are what? Some numbers you have worked out in your head based on a survey here or there, on what you are told in the mainstream media, many with agendas of their own and based on that you have developed a siege mentality resembling the Muslim cry of Islam in danger based on as flimsy grounds as your own. And what exactly am I supposed to prove you wrong about? That Islam a violent conversion ideology? I never denied that. That every Muslim on the street is a dangerous fanatic ready to risk life and limb to implement the agenda contained in a book he has not read but for historical reasons considers the basis of his moral and etnhical beliefs. That I do not agree with. You don't see moderate Muslims on this blog nor do you see them on the streets which makes you come to the conclusion that they are non-existent.Your numbers are based mostly on anecdotal incidents and on some desultory surveys.

You brush aside whatever you find inconvenient. The Memri site, the Pew polls, all if they go against the 'reality' you have created in your mind are trashed. And you have this 'well-thought' out plan for deporting 2 million people on the the unfounded (except in your fertile imiganiation) premise that every Muslim is just waiting to fill Bin Laden's shoes. Any plan anyone else comes upwith is unrealistic, flies against the face of facts and is guaranteed to fail. Any one who so much as points to the possibility of Muslims being capable of reforming is told he is a whiner, a dhimmi, a stupid fool who is living in a fool's world.

Something I have culled from your posts:

"...if you believe in that nonsense about 85%-90% of them being peaceful.... (74051)

And none of you yet have spelled out a detailed plan for dealing with Islam using your "Kumbayah Method". All we hear from you is "eventually, the voices of reason will prevail". And then I point out the rally in Arizona where a community of 50,000 Muslims failed to generate even a couple hundred Muslims speaking for peace. I point out that nowhere in the Muslim world are the mythical "85%-90% peaceful" Muslims able to suppress and overpower the supposed 10%-15% violent minority.

Why? If every single one of them were Muslim, that's less than half a percent. That's a meaningless number. If only 5% of those who attended were Muslim, then that was between 13 and 20 people, or 0.026% to 0.04% of the Muslims. That's not even what I'd consider a '"real" number. That's an aberration. An anomaly. A statistical error. It's meaningless. Even if it was as high as one-half of one percent, that's still an anomaly, not a significant movement in the Muslim community.

A second anti-terror rally was held for Muslims in Washington, DC in March of 2005. Estimated attendance...50 to 150 Muslims. I lnyl have one source for the number of Muslims living in Washignton DC and that number is 60,479 (in the year 2000). So once again, only 0.08% to 0.2% showed up. Note that Washington DC is the home of CAIR, the largest and most active Muslim group in America. Those numbers speak loud and clear.

Show me where this mythical mass of moderate Muslims is reforming Islam? Are they doing so in Egypt? Jordan? The so-called Palestinian territories? Sudan? Iran? You have nothing to work with, Plato. People are basically referring to me, Susan, and other realists as "hawks", and yet you "doves" have yet to offer even a single, sane, workable, realistic, peaceful solution to the problem.

These are some of the bits and pieces of the evidence you have presented for claiming every American Muslim (but not vanishingly zero) is Bin Laden's assisstant. I know that you are a born military strategist. You also must be a sociologist to use those figures to come to the conclusion that all Muslims, especially American ones, are dangerous fanatics waiting to become human bombs. Just a thought. What if a peace rally (or even a war rally against Iran) is called in say Washington? How many would you expect to turn up? (one curious fact I noted 60,000 muslims live in DC and DC's population is about 500,000, meaning Muslims constitute more than 10%?).

My search of your posts turned up the above . I am sure there a few more showing Muslims woefully lacking any inclination toward peace. Would you think those figures would stand scientific scrutiny. But the more scientific Pew polls gave me the figures below. Compare them with the figures you have managed to cobble together.

Pew Polls:

Support for terrorism: All the Muslim populations polled display a solid majority of support for Osama bin Laden. Asked whether they have confidence in him, Muslims replied positively, ranging between 8% (in Turkey) and 72% (in Nigeria). Likewise, suicide bombing is popular. Muslims who call it justified range from 13% (in Germany) to 69% (in Nigeria). These appalling numbers suggest that terrorism by Muslims has deep roots and will remain a danger for years to come.

The latest survey by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, conducted among more than 17,000 people in 17 countries this spring, finds that while many Muslims believe that radical Islam poses a threat, there are differing opinions as to its causes. Sizable minorities in most predominantly Muslim countries point to poverty, joblessness and a lack of education, but pluralities in Jordan and Lebanon cite U.S. policies as the most important cause of Islamic extremism.

The polling also finds that in most majority-Muslim countries surveyed, support for suicide bombings and other acts of violence in defense of Islam has declined significantly. In Turkey, Morocco and Indonesia, 15% or fewer now say such actions are justifiable. In Pakistan, only one-in-four now take that view (25%), a sharp drop from 41% in March 2004. In Lebanon, 39% now regard acts of terrorism as often or sometimes justified, again a sharp drop from the 73% who shared that view in 2002. A notable exception to this trend is Jordan, where a majority (57%) now says suicide bombings and other violent actions are justifiable in defense of Islam.

Other Major Findings

- Concerns over Islamic extremism are widely shared in Western publics and Muslim publics alike. But an exception is China, where 59% express little or no concern over Islamic extremism.

- Muslims differ over whether there is a struggle in their country between Islamic fundamentalists and groups wanting to modernize society. But solid majorities of those who perceive such a struggle side with the modernizers.

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=814, http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=253

A lone individual declares war on you. He is a Muslim. Almost all Muslims are admirers of Osama (your assumption). Therefore all Muslims have declared war on you. And the moon is made of green cheese.

Remember telling me 'God forbid was a figure of speech'. You really thought I said they would crawl on their hands and knees to the US? Your opinion of my intelligence level must be way below moron. You also think I babble (like a baby). So why do you take the trouble to post replies. Being my guru. I welcome that. But Susan refuses to be my teacher any more. I feel sad.

Noah all I see is your whining about my whining in your posts.