CHILD SACRIFICE

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Feb 25, 2007 at 09:01

Sofa Sogood ,

One question before I proceed :

You're a Moslem, aren't you ?

> Thanks for the reply -- I enjoyed it, though it wasn't exactly what I expected.

And what did you expect ?

> A couple of things --

>Regarding the word "choose" -- yes, some words and phrases are very specific. Others leave a little room.

So language is something more objective and strict than the adherents of the so called „religion of peace" would admit given their notorious tactics to mislead the non-Muslims before exterminating and enslaving them.

> "Kill" is very specific even though there's leeway around how to do it, while "be kind" is less so -- while some could consider some behaviors kind, others could disagree -- as in "welfare" "tough love" etc. What do you think the definition of "interpret" is?

„Translate", „make understandable". From Latin „interpretari" („inter" – „between" and the other part an old Indoeuropean one . In Sanskrit as I read somewhere ‘prath - „spread abroad" ; in Swedish ‘prata'- „talk" , „speak" )

> But, here, what I meant by "choose to interpret" isn't exactly correct.

> But one could "choose" to "ignore" certain parts of a very old text regarding the religion of their parents that they were born into.

You can ignore until some concerned citizen of the ummah comes to remind you of what you chose to be blind to. Isn't it for that reason that your Allah had to play this never-ending hide –and-seek game of sending thousands and thousands of prophets to remind the forgetful Moslems of what they had chosen to forget. Now as the last prophet has firmly reminded you of what you mustn't forget any longer this choice of ignoring and forgetting is hardly a viable option for you Moslems.

> For instance, there are, in fact, many Muslims who do not "kill the infidel" wherever they find them.

No hurry! They know that first they have to summon the infidels to convert to Islam or accept dhimmitude. Don't force the good Moslems' hand !

> They don't even think it's such a good idea.

See the above!

> They pray and give thanks to their god,

The only god who hates nothing so much as shirk and true to his cannibalistic origins enjoys human blood and sacrifices most , his „daily bread" to put it Biblically.

> but not 5 times a day, they don't eat pork,

Their „spirituality" originates in and comes from the stomach, doesn't it ?

> but they might have a drink now and then,

The Noble Quran forbids only „khmar"- wine . Whisky , vodka , beer, gin, brandy, cognac, champagne, etc. etc. are nowhere mentioned in the manual of how to come to the seventh heaven and how to avoid the seventh hell. So what Allah the Omniscient hasn't forbidden can't block the way to paradise.

> they try to treat others with "kindness" and behave morally and ethically -- as they "interpret" those,

Or rather how the Noble Quran instructs them to do. As a kaffir I'd like to be without any Moslem „kindness" as it necessarily comes from an interpretation of the Quran and only proves that Moslems are incapable of spontaneous human reactions. There is always „a Moslem ingredient" which poisons everything a Moslem touches or speaks of.

> when someone dies they prepare the body according to ritual, they observe Ramadan,

Woe to anyone living in their neighbourhood! They allow no one to sleep quietly as they observe their Ramadan during the night with infernal noises.

> they don't particularly repress their wives and daughters any more than men of other religious or non-religious backgrounds, etc. etc.

How many honour killings can you enumerate among Jews , Buddhists, Hindus , Christians , atheists , you Moslem statistician ?

> They consider the practice of their religion as a personal quest for the good in themselves and as a guide to help order their spiritual and social lives.

Nonsense! There is nothing personal in Islam , it's a most oppressive herd religion. You're given no personal choice to change your religion if you want to stay alive. They kill any apostate . Anyone who voices his or her individuality –unless a pathological tyrant powerful enough to intimidate his environment – faces a most ferocious persecution. Tell such fairy tales to senile wives and nihilistic politicians, not to me , Moslem!

> (This is similar to the fact that most Jews consider themselves Jews even though they don't practice the "stoning" of those who break certain laws -- Catholics who practice birth control -- and so on.

Wrong! 80% Jews have largely lost faith in religion (they are technically called „secularists"). That's why they are really tolerant ( knowing religion is either a fraud -as Islam is the most glaring fraud ever invented – or as a sort of consolation for those weaker or something constituting an important link with the past and culture which it's not advisable to forget.)

As to Catholicism I live in a Catholic country and can assure you that popery is a choice subject for jokes and derision here. How many jokes and derisive remarks are told in your Moslem homeland by your Moslem brethren about Islam , Sofa Sogood ?

> Of course, there are some who would say that those who do not follow every letter of the law of Islam are not Muslims at all.

Let's say they are imperfect Moslems still on the way to „perfection" .

> Or they could say they are "bad" Muslims.

Yes. But they will be good Moslems if some „good" Moslems provide them with a right „spiritual" guiding.

> It's perhaps difficult in Islam because it's written that the Koran is the word of Allah given directly to Mohammed, and that Mohammed is the last prophet -- which means that every word is meant for all time to come.

„Difficult"? It's impossible!

> But there is nevertheless here what I have no better word for than "interpretation."

You are struggling to interpret the Arabic word „tafsir", don't you ?

> Maybe they "interpret" or "choose to believe", that since the Koran was re-written,

How do you mean ? „The Mother of the Book" was re-written ? Soon you'll put forth the interpretation that in the heavenly harem of Allah the Mosther of the Book is just one of his legal concubines and there are other Mothers of the Book as Allah is omnipotent to beget as many mothers as he is capable to beget as many books as He wishes !

> that maybe some extra stuff got inserted that isn't exactly God's word.

Blasphemy! Bida ! You probably share the shi'a heresy that the 115 sura „Two lights" is as authentic as „the Cow" (the 2 sura) is ?

> Maybe they "interpret" that Mohammed, although he received God's word, did a little ad-libbing.

See the above!

> Maybe the concept of "submission" even though it is the meaning of Islam, is somewhat relative to them.

You clearly choose to interpret „submission" as meaning „freedom" , don't you ?

> (I've heard a few Orthodox Jews say that they believe the real reason for the prohibition of pork was for health reasons, but that people wouldn't listen unless they were told the law was from God -- but they still don't eat it, and consider it sinful to do so.)

Not the Russian Jews. They can't live without pork , sausages , hams …

> Religion is mystical and isn't bound by the rules of logic.

Which I interpret as meaning „nonsensical".

> Imams could find a way to "interpret" for instance, that "killing" does not actually, literally, mean "killing." Or that it was meant for that time period only. Or whatever.

E.g. that while discussed among Moslems „kill" means „kill" while when discussed with kaffirs who are going to be killed it means its opposite.

> It isn't impossible that there could be an alternate "interpretation" or a new "discovery" of the "true meaning" because logic isn't important in religion.

You don't think of course you are following any logic at the moment , do you ?

> The "choice" of some Muslims is to ignore what they choose to, including the opinion of those who would judge them, and go about their life as they "choose" to in the best way they are able in a modern world.

The Moslems have no choice as long as they remain Moslems. The only chance for them is to abandon ...its nonsensical theological base. As long as there are Moslems the medieval dark age of barbarity will always threaten to destroy this world and pull it back into the abyss of chaos.

>I wonder how the pagans could secure their existence if they slaughtered their babies almost on an assembly-line as the fairy-tales imply?

> What do "assembly-lines" or not have to do with anything? By "common" I meant not unusual. You're probably very right that many people gave up their children solely out of despair, and most floated them down a river as with Moses. And you aren't wrong to surmise that it wasn't an every day sacrifice party, but do you really think that nothing written in the Torah or anything recorded in ancient historical records, has any reality concerning the behavior of humans in early times?

Of course, it has. The ancient Jews as all Semites practiced child sacrifices. The Phoenicians had their Moloch , the Arabs dug their daughters alive and slaughtered captives to their bloodthirsty gods whose most cannibalistic properties were duly inherited by Allah , the Bloodthirsty , the Cruel" ( which the Moslems choose to interpret as „the Merciful , the „Beneficient „) .

> Have you done your own private anthropoligical studies?

I studied ancient history.

> Sacrifice --"offering" and returning to your god a portion of what was "given" to you, or some part of the best that you have produced, is still practiced in every religion around the world in one way or another. Magical explanations were the best humans could come up with (and for most still are).

Wrong! Civilization progressed inspite of opposition and resistance of religions. The ancient Greeks stopped human sacrifices early although they still in historical times remebered Iphigenia in Aulis. Humans were substitued with animals or puppets or sacrifices were abandoned for good.

Science and rationalism were born and thanks to particular circumstances managed to weaken and expell the magical thinking from a few parts of this world. It is there that the modern world was born. The rest was (and still is) barbarian thanks to their debilitating religious mentality .

> Escalating from tossing back some seeds to, however reluctantly, the ultimate of burning children -- with the idea that their god's generosity was dependent on the quality of their offering and vice versa -- is not an illogical progression -- whether it was recorded in the Bible or not. Why would a practice be "forbidden" if it didn't exist?

I agree. The only problem is that this „do ut des" ( Latin which is interpreted as meaning „I give you something , God , in order that you give to me something in exchange") mentality was based on a grave error. It's exacly an „ illogical progression" as the Greek philosophers were prompt to poin out vitriolically.

> My question to the Imams was, "Aren't you practicing the behavior of the pagans you believe deserve death? Didn't God forbid Abraham?"

And what did the imams respond ? „ Aren't you speaking like an apostate whose behaviour is punished with death?"

> I don't know for sure because I haven't studied the Koran,

( A non-Imam's remark – „Blessed are those who haven't studied that most primitive and most nonsensical book ever produced by the human brain!")

> but I don't believe that taboo was rescinded. If I'm not incorrect, within your very own system and beliefs, aren't you hypocrites?"

The imams reply "No, we are angels on earth! Whoever thinks otherwise is a jinn or a kaffir!"

> Arab practice of burying alive their new-born daughters, and Mohammed's idea to enslave them instead. It's terrible, but interesting. Does that imply that there was never any practice of sacrificing boys, and therefore no prohibition against the practice in the Koran?

>Be realistic! Otherwise [if it wasn't written] they wouldn't interpret it to be good.

> Are you sure? How do you know, or are you just assuming?

I have dealt with enough Moslems to know how their mind operates. It's like with cars. You just dismantle a few engines and and look inside and you'll know how the internal combustion engine works...

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