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To Moderate Muslim: Who has hatred in his/her/its heart?Reader comment on item: How the West Could Lose Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 7, 2007 at 13:05 "I dont have to defend my religion" This whole blog is about Islam and Muslims. You are free to defend or ignore the posts. "So why should I waste my time when I could be glorifying God?" That raises another question, which is a bigger waste of time talking to people here or talking to God telling Him He is great? At least talking to people here could have some effect but telling Allah he is great is not going to make him any greater. But if the idea is to curry favour with God then you may not be wasting your time. But do remember that Allah is quite capricious when handing out places in paradise. There never is any guarantee unless you kill or are killed in his service. In that case Allah guarantees a place for you in paradise! "I do not post here but to defend my deen, the deen of Abraham I know of no other religion which celebrates the occasions of Abraham I know of no other religion which makes you subject only to God, because it is the words of God." A few sentences ago you did say that you don't have to defend your religion. The founder of your religion (Abraham or Mohammed?) Abraham was the same person who was prepared to behead his son to show Allah, who demanded it, his loyalty. Allah claims to know everything including what is in man's mind. So Allah knew that Abraham would gladly murder his own son to curry favour with Him i.e. to gain paradise at the cost of his little boy's life. This is one of the founders of your religion. For the lure of paradise he was willing to slit his son's throat! Your religion had a great progenitor, Moderate Muslim. And this is an 'occasion of Abraham' you have been celebrating for 1400 years by slaughtering millions of animals. Why would any sane person want to be the subject (slave) of such a God, a god who can demand you kill your own child to show loyalty to him even though He knows exactly where your loyalty lies. And why is being subject of somebody else than this particular Allah such a bad thing. I can believe I am subject to a block of stone which looks like a pig because I know that pigs are really representatives of God on earth. How did I know that? My father gave me a book which said so. Moderate Muslim can you fault me on my belief?. You might object the pig is an unclean animal so how can it represent god. Well Allah created the pig, if he hated pigs he would never create them, so pigs cannot be hated by Allah. "I strongly encourage all of you to get to know Muslims, to see what good people they are." I have seen plenty of good people who are Muslims. But I also found they have no idea what is contained in the Koran, Hadiths or the biography of their Prophet. Some of them, when they realised that they were born into a violent hegemonistic religion quitely (not publicly for fear of being ostracised or even killed) withdrew their loyalty to Islam. "I bear witness that there is no God but God, and Muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger of God" So you bore witness. How does it add or subtract from anything. Yes Allah will be pleased for being told one more time that He is splendidly alone. Why is Allah so insecure. Is He worried that some other God might pop up anytime as He did? "Help those who are hateful" Moderate Muslim do you want to see real hatefulness? Let me quote from the Koran. Then tell me how the Koran rates on the hate scale. And who needs to be helped on that score, Allah or his creatures. 002.065 : And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." 002.161 : Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; 3:151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed 10:73 But they denied him, so We saved him and those with him in the ship, and made them viceroys (in the earth), while We drowned those who denied Our revelations. See then the nature of the consequence for those who had been warned. 17:16 And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. 19:98 And how many a generation before them have We destroyed! 22:15 Whoso is wont to think (through envy) that Allah will not give him (Muhammad) victory in the world and the Hereafter (and is enraged at the thought of his victory), let him stretch a rope up to the roof (of his dwelling), and let him hang himself. 22:20 Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; 22:21 And for them are hooked rods of iron. 22:22 Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they areven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning 28:58 And how many a community have We destroyed that was thankless for its means of livelihood! 38:14 Not one of them but did deny the messengers, therefor My doom was justified. After reading these verses, Moderate Muslim, who do you think requires help to overcome hatred Allah or his creatures? Jews called apes and pigs, Allah drowning people who denied his revelations, melting people's bellies, hanging them on hooks of iron. What kind of horrendous being is this Allah you believe in. Do you believe in him and proclaim the shahada because you fear his sadistic punishments if you don't? "Stop those who kill in the name of Islam" Moderate Muslim are you serious? Is that what Allah wants? I suspect you have not read the Koran carefully. Allah wants you to kill in the name of Islam! 009.029 : Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. 009.039 : If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all 9:111 GOD has bought from the believers their lives and their money in exchange for Paradise. Thus, they fight in the cause of GOD, willing to kill and get killed. Such is His truthful pledge in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran - and who fulfills His pledge better than GOD? You shall rejoice in making such an exchange. This is the greatest triumph. 002.216 : Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know. 8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Now tell me Moderate Muslim can a true Muslim not kill in the name of Islam? Out of context. So give me the contexts. Let us examine them. "Stop them from hurting Islam Help those who are misguided, whether they be Muslims or non Muslims" They are not hurting Islam. They are just being good Muslims. "O Allah accept my prayer." Seriously Moderate Muslim, after reading 9:29, 9:39, 9:111, 2:216 and 8:67 do you think Allah will answer your prayer? 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