my replies

Submitted by susan (Italy), Mar 7, 2007 at 16:19

"Another first indeed, while Dhimmi and Susan still proclaim that I am a Pakistani Muslim, so I fit into their rationale."

I told you several time to convert and give it a cut, hence, by simple logic I don't consider you a muslim.

"Has anyone, Susan, Dhimmi, Noah or you in fact seen this first hand?"

yes, there are underground madrassas in every western country. There is police raiding some madrassas, the underground ones are still active. There is indoctrination at home, there are 6 year old muslim kids kicking (LITERALLY) female teachers because that's what they see at home or calling the other kids "dirty christians". In spite of lefty press, those stories DO come out, if you have time to read them and it's just the tip of the iceberg.

"Lived door to door with Muslim neighbors whose children went to the same school with yours?"

...First hand experience with muslim kids as told by other parents. If I had a child (as many parents are already doing) I'd pay for a private christian school, where surely you won't find many of them. Also many other immigrant families of other religions don't get along with muslims.

"Shared an evening table with these neighbors and seen this form of indoctrination with your very own eyes?"

I work with immigrants for professional classes for 6 years now. I have seen how muslim men look down on kaffir women coming to the classes to learn or improve their situation and even look down on me for being a white woman christian. I have seen muslim from maghreb hating other africans of christian faith, just because they were black, christians. I have seen veiled muslim women looking down on infidels as inferiors, dirty, whores. My classes rarely have below 30 people, so those judgements were towards very normal women, dressed properly, not provocative, mostly mothers. I had to face some problems with my job because a muslim woman complained about my behaviour telling explicit lies (that I didn't assist her, that I mistreated her) when I had the whole rest of the class protecting me and supporting me against those false claims. For once I had a dozen witness in my favour against one. What would have happened if the muslim number was higher?

They don't care about truth, they just care about cheering for themselves and their own "race" against the infidel.

What more do I have to experience, michel? rape? murder? be a victim of torture? Don't you have enough to read about the reports of non-muslim (PERMANENT RESIDENTS, not TOURISTS like yourself) in muslim countries?

"Well, even though I actually spent much time with Muslims of the middle east, let alone with modern muslims here, I have not seen much evidence to that fact at all."

1) you never bothered to ask the right questions, since you don't know who are you dealing with in the first place, you are superficial, what they feed you with is enough. you don't go past surface

2) muslims pay your bills, you cannot be impartial

3) you are not a woman and you don't care about women sensibilities since you don't have a wife, or a daughter

4) you establish that your own personal experience is to be considered above historical facts or evidence

5) you don't seem to have time or will to read what happens daily in your area or keeping tracks of the many times where the life of the infidels is made impossible by muslims

6) you prefer to boost your ego with experiences that others never had (rescuing people after explosions, talking with allegedly "moderate muslims"). You like bragging about "no limits" experiences. You probably feel above anybody else just because you think you "understand" muslims better than others.

7) you have the white man's burder and chip on your shoulder about christianity and colonialism. It's the rule of the opposites. If I like the Rolling Stones, I tell you also that I find the Beatles boring, you dislike christianity and you side with the opposite.

"Albeit - it does flabber me a bit, how my experiences can so utterly be non-representative with a lifestyle of up to 250k airmile/per year over the last 10 years.

Not trying to be patronizing in any way, I would nevertheless dare to venture that my direct exposure to (admittedly all shades (including fundamentalist and violent) of Islam would be far more extensive than what the average Westerner may have."

You seem to equate number of flights = number of muslims met

What if someone meets muslims while at home? why is your mileage a better indicator? Just staying in my little own environment I had to (unfortunately) deal with iranians, Pakistanis, moroccans, egyptians, tunisians, jordanians, turkish, albanians, bosniaks, "palestinians", senegal, lybians, and a couple of other nationalities that I cannot remember.

Why the people you meet in YOUR muslim countries should be more radicalized? it's the opposite, when they are in a muslim protected country they are already in power compared to dhimmis, therefore they don't need to be as usual, they have already achieved what they want, submit the infidels, that's why they are more relaxed.

You are constantly missing the point that they like you when they know they can treat you as inferior, when they know your infidel lifestytle and infidel laws cannot touch them because they are protected by their sharia and super-rights allah given.

"With these 2 last posts alone you were able to challenge me to a way higher extent, than all of the oftentimes extremely insulting posts of Noah, Dhimmi or Susan combined."

it must be painful for you to admit that me, dhimmi and noah are on the same line of ianus.

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