The Founding Fathers and their greatgreatgreatgrandsons

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Mar 9, 2007 at 13:54

Dear Moslem ...alias " moderate muslim"

You quoted a song where nowhere the name of Allah appears. Did you omit the holy name of Allah because singing is haram in Islam ? If it isn't quote a Moslem song instead to prove how abject my ignorance of the religion of peace is. What is equally strange is that in your original reply - where everything is halal - you never mention our dear late Allah either. It's quite remarkably un-Islamic .

> In his autobiography, Jefferson recounted with satisfaction that in the struggle to pass his landmark Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom (1786), the Virginia legislature "rejected by a great majority" an effort to limit the bill's scope "in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan."

Really remarkable!!! They were of course fully aware that the same , if not a much better , bill for establishing religious freedom had long since been past in every single Moslem emirate and sheikhdom. As it included beside Moslems all other (I don't say "Abrahamic" not to look anachronistic ) religions so now reciprocity and common sense required something similar in the dar-al-harb. Truly far-sighted impeccability!

> George Washington suggested a way for Muslims to "obtain proper relief" from a proposed Virginia bill, laying taxes to support Christian worship.

An anti-Jizya ? Fascinating ! We can quote the Virginia bill as a good historical example of how to make Moslems pay the costs of fighting Moslem terror!

> On another occasion, the first president declared that he would welcome "Mohometans" to Mount Vernon if they were "good workmen" (see page 96).

How so ? Did he speak only about "good workmen"? Not a single phrase of " a great religion" or of " moderate Moslems" ?

... Damn! If he had meant "good terrorists" , America would have been overflooded by Moslems already two hundred years ago . But their time comes as their numbers grow and their moderacy is extreme.

> Officials in Massachusetts were equally insistent that their influential Constitution of 1780 afforded "the most ample liberty of conscience … to Deists, Mahometans, Jews and Christians," a point that Chief Justice Theophilus Parsons resoundingly affirmed in 1810.

Jesus' (your prophet Isa's ibn Miriam ) saying comes to my mind : " Forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing."

> The Founders of this nation explicitly included Islam in their vision of the future of the republic. Freedom of religion, as they conceived it, encompassed it. Adherents of the faith were, with some exceptions,

"Some exceptions" ? It sounds intriguing . Did the founding fathers mean "extremist Moslems " or also "moderate Moslems" ?

> regarded as men and women who would make law-abiding, productive citizens. Far from fearing Islam, the Founders would have incorporated it into the fabric of American life

The American indifference to European culture or betrayal of it is not a new phenomenon. The American tradition of allying themselves with anyone any time as long as it serves their commerce or other short-term advantages or what they call technically "national interests" and what corresponds fully to Jesus' observation "Where your treasure is there your heart is also" - is of long standing. Selling the country's soul to the Saudis and fighting Islamic terror by most obscene and sickening fawning upon its financiers and on Islam in general is just a logical continuation of a policy which goes back deeply into the American past. Perhaps you're right connecting it to the very beginning of this Republic.

To illustrate what I mean I'd like to quote from a book published in 1926 by a high-ranking American diplomat - the American General Consul in Smyrna in 1922 - George Horton " The blight of Asia" . He described the end of Christianity in Asia Minor in 1922 adding many interesting thoughts and insights that are closely related to that dismal topic which is probably quite indifferent to the American audience and yet has never lost its bitter significance for today's world . In chapter XXVIII "Turkish interpretation of America's attitude" he writes :

" OF OUR American responsibility for the destruction of the Christians of the Near East, I write with great hesitation and sorrow and must confine myself to the statement of certain universally known facts.

The days and months leading up to the fearful events at Smyrna were noisy with the Chester concession and pro-Turk propaganda. The enthusiastic pro-Turk articles in the press of the two Chesters—father and son—are still fresh in the public memory. Other pro-Turk and anti-Christian writers were busy, some among them doubtless earning their daily bread. The Turks were in funds. They had been busy picking the bones of the Christians and had laid their hands on great sums".

Sounds all too familiar, doesn't it , Nur ad-Din ?

Horton further remarks :

" the Americans gained the reputation of being pro-Turk, true friends, who would ultimately, on account of this friendship, be given the permission to put through great schemes, which would result in the development of the Ottoman Empire and, incidentally, fill certain American pocketbooks. The Turks confidently believed that commercial avarice would prevent us from interfering with their savagery, or even strongly condemning it.

Never in the world had the Turk so good an opportunity to glut his lust for Christian blood without fear of interference or criticism."

Truth tends to be bitter , doesn't it , Moslem ?

On Islam's many aspects Horton remarks judiciously i.al.

"A Mohammedan writer says that the social evil is unknown in Mohammedan countries, and a writer in "Armenia", the defunct Boston periodical of that name, replies that this is true for the reason that the Moslem is permitted by his religion to make his own home a brothel."

This book is freely available on the Net.

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/

I'd be honoured if you recommended it to your local imam to read during the khutba next Friday in your mosque. ;)

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