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Submitted by Sohail (United Kingdom), Apr 12, 2007 at 09:58

My reply:

So have you abrogated this verse from the Koran?

003.085 And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Good. I find that many Muslims on this forum are willing to abrogate verses from the Koran to suit their personal beliefs. This is good. More Muslims should come forward and abrogate other such uncivilised verses.

You have just shown that your Allah has a macabre sense of humour. He gives you the freedom to choose any religion and if you do not choose Islam the poor sod is burnt in hell, fed with putrid water and molten brass, his skin burnt to charcoal and recreated to feel pain again and again.

Are you sure you are not talking of Satan here?

Here is verse 3:85 and 3:86:

If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but Allah guides not a people unjust. Quran 3:85-6

The verses talks about the apostates.

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly."

Notice the stress on Muslim, especially note nothing being legitimate to a Muslims which belongs to a fellow Muslim. By corollary this implies that non-Muslim property can be legitimate even if taken against their will.

You will find the sentence 'All mankind is from Adam and Eve etc' missing from the original sources like Ishaaq and Tabari. So who put those words into your prophet's mouth?

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Quran 49:13

Allah Himself wills that unbelievers refuse to believe (10:99, 10:100) and with logic that is typical of Allah says elsewhere that no religion except Islam will be accepted and exhorts Muslims to jihad until all religion is for Allah. Weird isn't it. Allah wills that there should be unbelievers and then wants Muslims to go about converting the world to Islam. Allah even goes to the extent of placing doubt in those who will not understand.

Here is another bit of funny logic from Allah: why does he have to place doubt in the minds of people who already do not understand.Where is the need? He is afraid that perchance they may begin to believe and he will be deprived of the pleasure of roasting them in his hell and will be reluctantly forced to let them enter his personal abode. Now do you understand why there are so many unbelievers in the world.

What I am trying to say is that nobody can be forced to believe:

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! Quran 10:99

No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand. Quran 10:100 "

Sohail

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